IBM正在寻找有关安装和打包的反馈 - DB2 andWebsphere [英] IBM looking for Feedback on Installation and Packaging - DB2 andWebsphere
问题描述
IBM正在举办一次用户焦点会议，以获得有关安装软件产品和维护的新设计
概念的反馈。下面的
信息简要介绍了
会话的相关信息。如果您有兴趣并且觉得自己有资格，请
发送电子邮件至Karen Ball，电子邮件为 kb *** @ protocolusa.com 。或者你可以致电800-615-9287给Sam Sellers或Flo Tassel打电话。协议是IBM聘请的一个招聘机构，负责处理本次会议的后勤工作。您需要通过电话回答关于您的DB2
和/或WebSphere安装体验的简短调查问卷。请阅读下面的信息
如果您有兴趣，请尽快联系Karen。
会话名称：解决方案安装用户聚焦会议
主题：关于
IBM软件的拟议新安装流程的用户焦点会议，目前正在开发中。参与者将审核
并提供有关原型设计和示例用户场景的反馈。
日期：2004年1月15日，星期四，上午8点至下午5点
位置：IBM，北卡罗来纳州三角研究园
Blair Adamache< ba * ******@2muchspam.yahoo.com>写道：IBM正在举办一次用户焦点会议，以获得有关安装软件产品和维护的新设计概念的反馈。以下
信息简要概述了有关
会话的信息。如果您有兴趣并且觉得自己有资格，请
这不是我可以花时间直接参与的事情，
但是这里有一些基于我在DB2上安装DB2的经验的建议。
Solaris和Linux：
- 单独打包DB2 / Connect和UDB。当你想要的只是建立一个连接到远程系统的
时，安装整个DBMS是非常烦人的。 DB2 / Connect开发客户端应该非常简单
自行设置，我确定我没有使用95％的二进制文件
我的很多机器。
- 不要在安装程序中使用Java，尤其是java +添加的库，dang
！ Unix安装程序应该从命令行运行，很少或没有关于已经安装了什么软件的b $ b假设。 GUI安装程序如果你在机器上通过SSH / telnet会话进行安装，那么
会很痛苦
数百英里之外 - 只有你有了VNC才能工作设置了一个图形化的
环境，即使这样它也可能很苛刻。
我会稍微接受7.1的curses安装，但我没有'不太喜欢
。到目前为止，我已经避免进行8.0安装了，因为我不喜欢用类路径搞错并在不需要它的机器上安装java。
- 是否真的有必要将代码分成70多个转速？ *
-
*像獾一样的东西 - 像蜥蜴一样 - 和一些东西
像开瓶器一样。
Paul Vader写道：
Blair Adamache< ba ******* @ 2muchspam.yahoo.com>写道：IBM正在举办一次用户焦点会议，以获得有关安装软件产品和维护的新设计概念的反馈。以下
信息简要概述了有关
会话的信息。如果您有兴趣并且觉得自己有资格，请
这不是我可以花时间直接参与
的事情，但这里有一些基于我安装经验的建议<在Solaris和Linux上的DB2：
- 单独打包DB2 / Connect和UDB。当你想要的是建立与远程系统的连接时，安装整个DBMS是非常烦人的。 DB2 / Connect开发客户端应该非常简单，可以自行设置，我确定我没有在我的许多机器上使用95％的二进制文件。
您听起来像是想要DB2 Connect个人版。但是，只有在Windows和Linux上才能使用，而不是Solaris。
如果我误解了，你必须指的是UDBEE和Connect EE的方式在同一张CD上都是
。这种疏忽在版本8中得到了修复。没有两个
许可产品存在于同一媒体上。 （许可产品可能与
共存最多两个未经许可的产品，例如客户端。）
- 不要使用Java，特别是java +添加的库，安装人员，dang
它！ Unix安装程序应该从命令行运行，很少或没有关于已经安装了什么软件的假设。 GUI安装程序如果你在数百英里以外的机器上通过SSH / telnet会话进行安装会很痛苦 - 只有你有一个图形化的环境设置才能使用VNC起来，即便如此，它也可能是讽刺的。
这就是静默安装的用途;-)请注意，DB2 java
安装程序并没有假设已经安装了什么软件。 />
，因为它使用CD上的Java版本。
通过SSH / telnet获取GUI。也就是说，我经常在距离超过3000公里的机器上以图形方式安装
DB2。但是我有VNC工作的优势......
这就是说，我会继续提高这一点，看看是否有什么可以
在v9中完成以解决这些问题。
我会稍微接受7.1的curses安装，但我也不喜欢它。到目前为止，我已经避免进行8.0安装，因为我不喜欢使用类路径和在不需要它的机器上安装java。
你不需要做任何这些。只要您的机器*可以*运行
Java，您就可以以图形方式运行DB2的安装程序。如果你的机器不能运行Java，那么它可能不会遵循在DB2安装和版本中所规定的所有要求。配置补充或DB2 Quick
起点指南。请注意，静默安装不会以任何方式在
中使用Java。
- 是否真的有必要将代码分成70多个rpms？ *
啊。实际上，RPM可能比需要的多。但只有5美元左右，如果是那么。如果您想要移除机器上的95％的二进制文件，那么这需要在低RPM数量和
灵活性之间进行权衡。在这里，您观察到DB2过于细化。但是为了
满足你的要求来分离你不需要的二进制文件，我们需要
来*更精细*，所以你可以选择RPMs那个
你需要。
但是，大多数RPM都支持其他语言。为了不浪费空间安装你不感兴趣的语言，每个人都被分区了。这实际上应该可以节省你硬盘上的空间。
最后，其余的RPM可能会加重，因为你想要
a单个RPM，表示Connect EE。问题是我们希望DB2
Connect Personal Edition和DB2 UDB Workgroup Server Edition在同一台机器上共存
。他们可能共享的任何常见文件必须以他们共享的RPM为单位。这是RPM的要求。甚至
如果不是，这也会减少我们的fixpaks的大小。
正如Darin所提到的，你需要DB2 Connect个人版。 DB2 Connect
企业版包含一个完整的DBMS，因为它在内部使用DB2数据库
进行两阶段提交（同步管理器事务是跟踪
）在DB2数据库中。
Paul Vader写道：
Blair Adamache< ba ******* @ 2muchspam.yahoo .COM>写道：
IBM正在举办一个用户焦点会议，以获得有关安装软件产品和维护的新设计概念的反馈。以下
信息简要概述了有关
会话的信息。如果您有兴趣并且觉得自己有资格，请
这不是我可以花时间直接参与的事情，
但是这里''基于我在Solaris和Linux上安装DB2的经验的一些建议：
- 单独打包DB2 / Connect和UDB。当你想要的是建立与远程系统的连接时，安装整个DBMS是非常烦人的。 DB2 / Connect开发客户端应该非常简单，可以单独设置，而且我确定我没有在我的许多机器上使用95％的二进制文件。
- 不要在安装程序中使用Java，尤其是java +添加的库，dang
它！ Unix安装程序应该从命令行运行，很少或没有关于已经安装了什么软件的假设。 GUI安装程序如果你在数百英里以外的机器上通过SSH / telnet会话进行安装会很痛苦 - 只有你有一个图形化的环境设置才能使用VNC起来，即便如此，它也可能是讽刺的。
我会接受7.1的curses安装，但我也不喜欢它。到目前为止，我已经避免进行8.0安装了，因为我不喜欢用类路径搞定并在不需要它的机器上安装java。
- 是不是真的有必要将代码分成70多个转速？ *
IBM is hosting a user focus session to get feedback on a new design
concept for installing software products and maintenance. The
information below gives a brief summary of the information about the
session. If you are interested and feel that you are qualified, please
send an e-mail to Karen Ball at kb***@protocolusa.com. Or you can phone
Sam Sellers or Flo Tassel at 800-615-9287. Protocol is a recruiting
agency that IBM has hired to handle the logistics for this session. You
will need to answer a short questionnaire over the phone about your DB2
and/or WebSphere installation experience. Please read the information
below and if you are interested, please contact Karen as soon as possible.
Session Name: Solution Install User Focus Session
Subject: User Focus Session on a proposed new installation process for
IBM software that is currently in development. Participants will review
and provide feedback on prototype designs and example user scenarios.
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2004, 8 AM to 5 PM
Location: IBM, Research Triangle Park, NC
Blair Adamache <ba*******@2muchspam.yahoo.com> writes:IBM is hosting a user focus session to get feedback on a new design
concept for installing software products and maintenance. The
information below gives a brief summary of the information about the
session. If you are interested and feel that you are qualified, please
This isn''t really something I can take the time to participate in directly,
but here''s some suggestions based on my experience installing DB2 on
Solaris and Linux:
- Package DB2/Connect and UDB seperately. It''s incredibly annoying to have
to install an entire DBMS when all you want is to set up a connection to
a remote system. A DB2/Connect development client should be very simple
to set up by itself, and I''m sure I''m not using 95% of the binaries on
many of my machines.
- Don''t use Java, especially java + added libraries, in an installer, dang
it! Unix Installers should run from the command line, with little or no
assumptions about what software is installed already. GUI installers
are a pain if you''re installing over an SSH/telnet session on a machine
hundreds of miles away - VNC only works if you''ve got a graphical
environment set up, and even then it can be snarky.
I''ll marginally accept the curses install of 7.1, but I didn''t like it much
either. I''ve avoided doing the 8.0 install so far because I don''t feel like
goofing with classpaths and installing java on machines that don''t need it.
- Is it really necessary to parcel out the code into 70-odd rpms? *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
Paul Vader wrote:
Blair Adamache <ba*******@2muchspam.yahoo.com> writes:IBM is hosting a user focus session to get feedback on a new design
concept for installing software products and maintenance. The
information below gives a brief summary of the information about the
session. If you are interested and feel that you are qualified, please
This isn''t really something I can take the time to participate in
directly, but here''s some suggestions based on my experience installing
DB2 on Solaris and Linux:
- Package DB2/Connect and UDB seperately. It''s incredibly annoying to have
to install an entire DBMS when all you want is to set up a connection to
a remote system. A DB2/Connect development client should be very simple
to set up by itself, and I''m sure I''m not using 95% of the binaries on
many of my machines.
You sound like you want DB2 Connect Personal Edition. However, that''s
only available on Windows and Linux, not Solaris.
If I misunderstood, you must mean the way that UDBEE and Connect EE are
both on the same CD. This oversight was repaired in version 8. No two
licensed products exist on the same media. (A licensed product may
coexist with up to two unlicensed products, such as the clients.)
- Don''t use Java, especially java + added libraries, in an installer, dang
it! Unix Installers should run from the command line, with little or no
assumptions about what software is installed already. GUI installers
are a pain if you''re installing over an SSH/telnet session on a machine
hundreds of miles away - VNC only works if you''ve got a graphical
environment set up, and even then it can be snarky.
That''s what silent installs are for ;-) Note that the DB2 java
installer does not assume much about what software is installed already
since it uses the version of Java found on the CD.
Granted about the GUI via SSH/telnet. That said, I regularly install
DB2 graphically on a machine that''s over 3000km away. But I''ve the
advantage of VNC working...
That said, I will continue to raise this point and see if something can
be done in v9 to address these concerns.
I''ll marginally accept the curses install of 7.1, but I didn''t like it
much either. I''ve avoided doing the 8.0 install so far because I don''t
feel like goofing with classpaths and installing java on machines that
don''t need it.
You don''t need to do any of that. As long as your machine *can* run
Java, you can run DB2''s installer graphically. If your machine cannot
run Java, then it may not be following all the requirements laid out in
the DB2 Installation & Configuration Supplement or the DB2 Quick
Beginnings Guides. Note that the silent install does not use Java in
any way.
- Is it really necessary to parcel out the code into 70-odd rpms? *
Ah. In reality, there are likely more RPMs than needed. But only by
about 5, if that. This is a trade-off between low numbers of RPMs and
flexibility that you need if you want to remove 95% of the binaries on
your machines. Here you''re observing that DB2 is too granular. But to
fulfill your request to separate out binaries you don''t need, we need
to be *more* granular, so you can just pick and choose the RPMs that
you need.
Most of the RPMs, however, are to support other languages. In order
that you do not waste space installing languages that you''re not
interested in, each one is partitioned out. This actually should save
you space on your hard disk.
Finally, the rest of the RPMs are probably aggravating in that you want
a single RPM that says "Connect EE". The problem is that we want DB2
Connect Personal Edition and DB2 UDB Workgroup Server Edition to
coexist on the same machine. Any common files that they may share must
be in RPMs that they share. This is a requirement from RPM. And even
if it weren''t, this also reduces the size of our fixpaks.
As Darin mentions, you need DB2 Connect Personal Edition. DB2 Connect
Enterprise Edition contains a full DBMS because it uses a DB2 database
internally for two-phase commit (synchpoint manager transactions are
tracked in a DB2 database).
Paul Vader wrote:
Blair Adamache <ba*******@2muchspam.yahoo.com> writes:IBM is hosting a user focus session to get feedback on a new design
concept for installing software products and maintenance. The
information below gives a brief summary of the information about the
session. If you are interested and feel that you are qualified, please
This isn''t really something I can take the time to participate in directly,
but here''s some suggestions based on my experience installing DB2 on
Solaris and Linux:
- Package DB2/Connect and UDB seperately. It''s incredibly annoying to have
to install an entire DBMS when all you want is to set up a connection to
a remote system. A DB2/Connect development client should be very simple
to set up by itself, and I''m sure I''m not using 95% of the binaries on
many of my machines.
- Don''t use Java, especially java + added libraries, in an installer, dang
it! Unix Installers should run from the command line, with little or no
assumptions about what software is installed already. GUI installers
are a pain if you''re installing over an SSH/telnet session on a machine
hundreds of miles away - VNC only works if you''ve got a graphical
environment set up, and even then it can be snarky.
I''ll marginally accept the curses install of 7.1, but I didn''t like it much
either. I''ve avoided doing the 8.0 install so far because I don''t feel like
goofing with classpaths and installing java on machines that don''t need it.
- Is it really necessary to parcel out the code into 70-odd rpms? *
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