我应该搬到阿姆斯特丹吗？ [英] Should I move to Amsterdam?

问题描述

http://www.slate.com/id/ 2124561 / entry / 2124562 /

塞思史蒂文森为美国人做白日梦的好小系列

移民。在某个地方，任何地方......也许是阿姆斯特丹？


我自己从来没去过荷兰，但听起来很不错。

文明。


额外的Python连接，除了显而易见的一个：是gezellig吗？相关的

到Python的禅宗？ （
http://wordcraft.infopop.cc/eve/ubb....1/r/3901049571

）


- Wade Leftwich

伊萨卡，纽约

解决方案

> Seth Stevenson为美国人制作的精彩小编白日梦关于

移民。在某个地方，任何地方......也许是阿姆斯特丹？

我自己从未去过荷兰，但听起来非常文明。

过去是这样的，直到一些疯子（被认为是左边锋）

杀死了一名（已成为右翼的）政治家和另一名（已经被认定为

穆斯林 - 极端主义者）疯子杀死了一个（被认为是右翼或左翼，

取决于你问的是谁）cineast。我们曾经是一个地方，几年后发生了一切，但我们正赶上来！ :(


但是我还记得我在代尔夫特大学上课的那些课程：

Lambert Meertens关于ABC语言，这是

Python。:)

Wouter van Ooijen


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Wade写道：

http：/ /www.slate.com/id/2124561/entry/2124562/

塞思史蒂文森为美国人做白日梦移民的小小系列。某个地方，任何地方......也许是阿姆斯特丹？

我自己从未去过荷兰，但听起来非常文明。

额外的Python连接，除了显而易见的一个：是gezellig吗？相关的禅宗Python？ （
http://wordcraft.infopop.cc/eve/ubb....1/r/3901049571
）

- Wade Leftwich
伊萨卡，纽约

嗯，我不知道，我出生在德国，搬到了荷兰，并且已经在全国各地退出了。$ br $ b。 />
就我个人而言，我不喜欢城市生活，但是从我居住的地方开始，如果你添加的话，我在鹿特丹市中心鹿特丹市中心的小时/>
半小时我在阿姆斯特丹的中心。回到家里的时候回到了一个小而蓬勃发展的村庄。


当然这都是用公共交通和/或自行车完成的，而不是

没有理由。

荷兰个人交通很糟糕，如果你住在

任仕达（上述城市的区域），你必须旅行

穿过任仕达，你去骑自行车和/或公共汽车/有轨电车/地铁/火车

因为这是最快的交通方式。


这并不意味着公共交通很好，没有实际的/>
公共交通已商业化，也很糟糕。但它至少在一天之内每天都在交通堵塞中，至少需要一个小时

，无论你想去哪里，都不是完全正确的，在11.00-15.00之间

21.00-05.00然后很明显可以切换车道。

只是不打算乘坐公共交通工具去特别优惠

在2300h之后。


如果你开车去，你可能还想早点去，也许你就可以了吗

可以找到一个足够靠近你的停车位你需要乘坐公共汽车/有轨电车/地铁来完成最后5英里的目的地。


好​​政治，在

西欧北大西洋沿岸国家的荷兰就像政治政治一样，不包括英国和美国。爱尔兰。

大部分时间这些政客都在关心这个国家的所有人，包括非选民，非付款人和狂热信徒。
$ b无论你能想象什么，你都可以获得$ b。虽然这种社交照顾主要是在黑暗的个人议程或明显的愚蠢之中。

在荷兰即使是最右翼的（任何规模）

派对仍然是美国观点中的自由社会主义者。


不知怎的，我认为如果你想成为一名政治家，你必须是b
能够关闭至少75％的大脑，同时做出决定并在你必须为

失误寻找借口时重新激活它们，至少在最后一部分对于荷兰来说是这样，从我看到的美国政治，即使这不是必需的。


在荷兰，我们仍然有）传统，

人们对自己的行为负责，不要起诉一些不相关的

公司，当他们洒上热咖啡或者微笑你的小狗或洗衣时

你洗澡机里的宝宝。


这里的大多数人都是非信徒我相信你不会知道他们和非信徒之间的区别。其余信徒中最重要的部分是现实的，重视人生，

道德和规范，不影响公共安全，当然还有狂热分子

包括荷兰在内的世界各地。


我们经历了一些非常艰难的岁月，但经济状况再次回升

因为我们在预算上做了一些严重的预算削减社会保障和

公共卫生它比德国和法国更稳定。


唯一严重的缩小规模是在兰斯塔德的房子里价格是
太高，唯一的方法就是买一套合理的排屋（3 b / b
卧室，平均房间= 4x3米），这是一个不太糟糕的一面城市

是指你和你的伙伴全职工作，并且不打算自己抚养孩子。


我仍​​然不想住在其他任何地方，荷兰足够大，可以找到一些国家方面慢一点的b $ b生活节奏（但仍然有广告），
如果你喜欢我喜欢b $ b。通过一些搜索，你可以建立起来很好的社交和工作环境，而不是浅浅的和/或愚蠢的。

人。


以上所有当然是我的观点YMMV。


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mph

< blockquote> Martin P. Hellwig启发我们：

荷兰的个人交通很糟糕，如果你住在兰斯塔德（上述城市的区域），你必须

和一辆自行车不是个人交通工具？

顺便说一句，大城市因快速失去你的自行车而臭名昭着。


是的。除非你有两个正确的锁。在这种情况下，你的自行车将持续很长一段时间。
这并不意味着公共交通很好，没有实际的
自公共交通商业化也很糟糕。


实际上它非常好。荷兰铁路公司（Nationale Spoorwegen，NS
简称b $ b）有一个迟到的名声，但并不是那么糟糕。

火车经常运行，如果你有一个严重的延迟，你甚至可以获得部分退款。


我的GF和我刚从克罗地亚度假回来。那里，每隔四个小时就有一辆火车只有一辆火车，然后你很幸运。这条赛道非常糟糕，坐公共汽车的速度一样快，除了你可以在

巴士上买票而不必提前买票+预订。


回来的路上，我们在德国使用了ICE（城际快车）。

它被推迟了，所以我们错过了15点到达阿姆斯特丹的火车分钟。

的延迟是在K ?? ln，因为教皇拜访了一下 - 众所周知的

Deutsche Bahn，但他们仍然没有做任何事情。 。我们不得不使用两小时后离开的另一列火车。而且我们没有得到任何

补偿 - 甚至没有预订火车我们

错过了。


我们延迟了两个小时。在荷兰，你至少可以获得很多比例的回报。不是在德国。


毕竟，我认为频繁的火车（与克罗地亚相比）和

合理的退款（与德国相比），NS不是

之后的那么糟糕。

2300h之后，不打算在公共交通方面有任何特别之处。


兰斯塔德的大城市之间有夜间列车。在阿姆斯特丹公共汽车上，至少每晚需要
，整晚都要经过这个城市，每晚一晚。我不知道其他城市 - 我住在阿姆斯特丹。

良好的政治，在荷兰就像其他西欧北大西洋沿岸国家的政治，不包括UK&
爱尔兰。


尽管如此，我们还是第一批将正确执行的eutanasia合法化的人。

我们也是第一个有官方单性婚姻的人。我不会知道其他国家，但这里卖淫是一项正常的工作，所以你需要以妓女的身份缴纳税款，甚至还有一个工会。

大多数时候，这些政客都在关心这个国家的所有人，包括非选民，非付款人和狂热信徒 - 无论你能做什么-想像。


这是非常真实的。我对此并不太高兴。正是出于这个原因，太多人拒绝投票。

这里的大多数人都是非信徒或者是如此轻信，以至于你不会知道他们和非信徒之间的区别。
剩下的信徒中最大的部分是现实的，有价值的，生活，道德和规范，不影响公共安全，当然，狂热分子都在哪里包括荷兰在内的世界。


在阿姆斯特丹，情况越来越糟糕。一个

的作家/评论家/演员被以真主的名义杀死，仅仅因为他的b $ b锻炼了他的言论自由。


另一名男子站在自己的门前严重搞砸了，因为他是同性恋者。在他的街道上，有时候人们会大声喊叫走开你们，你们不欢迎。这个

是一个Macoccan街！我不是在歧视，但是Maroccans告诉我们b $ b荷兰人他们不喜欢他们自己的资本吗？我希望_those_

人们会回到Marocco。

唯一严重的缩小规模是在任仕达的房价
太高了

非常正确。我的女朋友和我正在阿姆斯特丹北部的一个房子里租房子，就在中央车站上方。不过我们不得不搜索相当的

！


Sybren

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安全标签来解决问题呢？ br />
Frank Zappa

http://www.slate.com/id/2124561/entry/2124562/

Nice little series by Seth Stevenson for Americans daydreaming about
emigration. Somewhere, anywhere ... maybe Amsterdam?

I''ve never been to the Netherlands myself, but it sounds very
civilized.

Extra Python connection, besides the obvious one: Is "gezellig" related
to the Zen of Python? (
http://wordcraft.infopop.cc/eve/ubb....1/r/3901049571
)

-- Wade Leftwich
Ithaca, NY

解决方案

>Nice little series by Seth Stevenson for Americans daydreaming about

emigration. Somewhere, anywhere ... maybe Amsterdam?

I''ve never been to the Netherlands myself, but it sounds very
civilized.

It used to be, until some lunatic (alledged to be a left-winger)
killed an (alledged right-wing) politician, and another (alledged
muslim-extremist) lunatic killed an (alledged right- or left-wing,
depends on who you ask) cineast. We used to be a place where
everything happens a few years later, but we are catching up! :(

But I fondly remember the classes I had at the Delft university by
Lambert Meertens about the ABC language, which is the forerunner of
Python. :)
Wouter van Ooijen

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Wade wrote:

http://www.slate.com/id/2124561/entry/2124562/

Nice little series by Seth Stevenson for Americans daydreaming about
emigration. Somewhere, anywhere ... maybe Amsterdam?

I''ve never been to the Netherlands myself, but it sounds very
civilized.

Extra Python connection, besides the obvious one: Is "gezellig" related
to the Zen of Python? (
http://wordcraft.infopop.cc/eve/ubb....1/r/3901049571
)

-- Wade Leftwich
Ithaca, NY

Well I dunno, I was born in Germany moved to the Netherlands and been
quit around in the country.
Personally I don''t like city life, however from where I live I am within
the hour in the center of Rotterdam, Den Haag, Utrecht, if you add
half an hour I''m at the heart of Amsterdam. While coming back at home at
a small but flourishing village.

Of course this is all done with public transport and/or bike, not
without reason.
Personal transportation sucks in the Netherlands, if you live in the
Randstad (the area of the above mentioned cities) and you have to travel
across the Randstad, you go with the bike and/or bus/tram/metro/train
because that is the fastest way of transportation.

By the way, the big cities are notorious for losing your bike fast.

That doesn''t mean that public transportation is good, no actual since
the public transportation is commercialized it sucks too. But it beats
the hell out of being in the traffic jam every day for at least an hour
wherever you want to go, not entirely true, between 11.00-15.00 and
21.00-05.00 then it''s clear enough to switch lanes.
Just don''t plan to get anywhere special with public transportation
after 2300h.

Still you might want to go earlier if you go by car, perhaps then you
can find that one parking spot close enough to your destination that you
don''t need to take the bus/tram/metro after all to finish the last 5 miles.

Well politics, in the Netherlands is like politics in the rest of
Western-Europe North-Atlantic-coast countries, excluding UK & Ireland.
Most of the time these politicians are social caring about everybody in
the country including non-voters, non-payers and fanatic-believers
of-whatever-you-can-imagine. Although that social caring is mostly out
of a dark personal agenda or plain dumbness.
In the Netherlands even the most right-winged (of any mattering size)
parties are still liberal socialist in the US viewpoint.

Somehow I think that if you want to become a politician you have to be
able to shutdown at least 75% percent of you brain while making
decisions and reactivate them when you have to find an excuse for the
misstep, well at least the last part is true for the Netherlands, from
what I see of US politics even that is not a requirement.

In the Netherlands we still have (but watering away) tradition that
people are responsible for their own deeds and do not sue some unrelated
company when spilling hot coffee or microwaving your puppy or washing
you baby in the wash machine.

Most people in here are non-believers or so lightly believers that you
won''t know the difference between them and the non-believers. The
biggest part of the remaining believers are realistic and value life,
moral and norms without compromising public safety, of course fanatics
are every where in the world including the Netherlands.

We had some very difficult years but the economics is picking up again
and because we made some serious budget cuts in social security and
public health it is on a more stable bases then that of Germany and France.

The only serious downsize is that in the Randstad the house prices are
too high, the only way you can buy a reasonable row house house (3
bedrooms, average room = 4x3 meters) in a not too bad side of the city
is when you and you partner work full time and are not planning to raise
your kid(s) all by your self.

Still I don''t want to live anywhere else, Holland is big enough to find
some country side with a slower pace of living (but still having adsl),
if you prefer that like me. And with a bit of searching you can build up
a social and work environment not filled with shallow and/or dumbed down
people.

All of the above is of course my viewpoint YMMV.

--
mph

Martin P. Hellwig enlightened us with:

Personal transportation sucks in the Netherlands, if you live in the
Randstad (the area of the above mentioned cities) and you have to
travel across the Randstad, you go with the bike and/or
bus/tram/metro/train because that is the fastest way of
transportation.
And a bike isn''t "personal transportation"?
By the way, the big cities are notorious for losing your bike fast.
True. Unless you have two proper locks. In that case your bike will
last a very long time.
That doesn''t mean that public transportation is good, no actual
since the public transportation is commercialized it sucks too.
It''s quite good actually. The Dutch Railways (Nationale Spoorwegen, NS
for short) have a reputation of being late, but it isn''t that bad.
Trains run frequently, and if you have a serious delay, you even get
part of your money back.

My GF and I just got back from a holiday in Croatia. There, there is
only a train every four hours, and then you''re lucky. The track is so
bad, going by bus is just as fast, except you can buy a ticket on the
bus instead of having to buy a ticket + reservation in advance.

On the way back, we used the ICE (intercity express) through Germany.
It got delayed, so we missed our train to Amsterdam by 15 minutes. The
delay was in K??ln, because the pope paid a visit - well known to the
Deutsche Bahn, but still they didn''t do anything about it. We had to
use another train which left two hours later. And we didn''t get any
compensation for this - not even for the reservation for the train we
missed.

We had a delay of two hours. In The Netherlands you would at least get
a significant percentage of your money back. Not in Germany.

After all, I think with the frequent trains (compared to Croatia) and
reasonable refunds (compared to Germany), the NS isn''t that bad after
all.
Just don''t plan to get anywhere special with public transportation
after 2300h.
There are night trains between the big cities in the Randstad. At
least in Amsterdam busses go through the city all the night, every
night. I don''t know about other cities - I live in Amsterdam.
Well politics, in the Netherlands is like politics in the rest of
Western-Europe North-Atlantic-coast countries, excluding UK &
Ireland.
Still, we were the first ones to legalize properly executed eutanasia.
We were also the first to have official single-sex marriages. I don''t
know about other countries, but here prostitution is a regular job, so
you have to pay taxes as a prostitute, and there is even a union.
Most of the time these politicians are social caring about everybody
in the country including non-voters, non-payers and
fanatic-believers of-whatever-you-can-imagine.
That''s very true. I''m not too happy about that. Too many people refuse
to vote, for just that reason.
Most people in here are non-believers or so lightly believers that
you won''t know the difference between them and the non-believers.
The biggest part of the remaining believers are realistic and value
life, moral and norms without compromising public safety, of course
fanatics are every where in the world including the Netherlands.
Here in Amsterdam, things are getting more nasty. A
writer/critic/actor was killed "in the name of Allah", just because he
excercised his freedom of speech.

Another man was seriously messed up while standing in his own front
door opening, just because he''s homosexual. In his street, sometimes
people are shouting "Go away you homo, you''re not welcome here. This
is a Macoccan street!. I''m not discriminating, but Maroccans telling
Dutch people they aren''t welcome in their own captial? I wish _those_
people would just go back to Marocco.
The only serious downsize is that in the Randstad the house prices
are too high

Very true. My girlfriend and I are renting a house in the northern
part of Amsterdam, just above Central Station. We had to search quite
hard to find that, though!

Sybren
--
The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a
capital punishment for stupidity, but why don''t we just take the
safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
Frank Zappa

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