老编码员想赶上 - 有点 [英] Old coder wants to catch up - sort of

问题描述

您好，


我刚刚意识到只有一个g把我和......分开？

Old Coder还是Old Codger？


无论如何，自80年代后期以来我没有编程。那时我的经验是

是DEC PDP-11'和VAX'的。主要是基本和RMS我已经让我自己得到了十年+落后。有这么多，我不知道我在开始时迷路了。


我想赶上时代，现实地记住

它需要做很多工作。我手上有很多时间。

这只是出于个人原因。这不是任何工作，现在或

未来（即没有迫切需要加速学习）。


除了以此为生，我以前喜欢编程，而且现在健康到足以让它重新开始。我有权访问

到.NET，但问题是从哪里开始？房子里很难摆脱

，所以大学课程可能不是一个选择。


我看了很多（并从亚马逊购买了一些书籍，而且我很尴尬。看起来几乎所有你看的状态都需要你的工作知识。


我应该：学习.NET框架吗？

学习VB.Net，因为我以前用Basic编程或者用时间​​获得

并学习C（或++或＃）？

80我今天做了可能被称为OOP的事情，或者是它？

XML？天啊，我甚至不知道HTML

或COM或ASP或SQL或我的上帝那么多。或者我需要同时学习几件事吗？


所以，我们假设我所拥有的一切都很好，但是陈旧，编程

技能。你的建议是什么？什么是最好的这个差不多50年/

开始？请帮帮忙？！？！？


非常感谢

Hello,

I just realized there''s only a "g" separating me from....me?
Old Coder or Old Codger?

Anyway, I haven''t programmed since the late 80''s. My experience then
was with DEC PDP-11''s and VAX''s. Primarily Basic and RMS I''ve let
myself get a decade+ behind. There''s so much that I don''t know that I
get lost in getting started.

I desire to catch up with the times, realistically keeping in mind
that it will take a lot of work. I have a lot of ''time on my hands''.
This is for personal reasons only. It''s not for any job, present or
future (ie. no pressing need for accellerated study).

Besides doing it for a living, I used to enjoy programming and am
currently healthy enough to want to give it a new go. I have access
to .NET but the question is where to start? It''s hard to get out of
the house, so college courses are probably not an option.

I''ve looked at a lot (and bought a few) books from Amazon and I''m
fairly confused. It seems that almost everything you look at states
you need working knowledge in something else.

Should I: Learn the .NET framework?
Learn VB.Net because I used to program in Basic or get
with the times and learn C (or ++ or #)?
In the 80''s I did what was probably called OOP today, or is it?
XML? Hell, I don''t even know HTML
Or COM or ASP or SQL or my God there''s so much. Or will I need to
study several things at the same time?

So, let''s assume that all I have is good, but archaic, programming
skills. What''s your advice? What is best for this almost 50 y/o to
start with? Help please?!?!?

Thank you very much

推荐答案

假设你感兴趣在Windows平台上，我会建议您使用事件驱动的应用程序获得
。


好​​消息，你可以跳蛙，有些不太成功

技术并且不要直接使用OO语言。


一个很好的切入点是从VB .NETWindows Form开始。项目

暴露于事件驱动的应用程序范例。你将学习

som .NET Framework免费在途中你会得到满意的结果

开发你可以看到和展示的东西...


从那以后我会做一些C＃和如果您对Linux平台感兴趣，可能是Java。


顺便说一下，.NET知识现在是一个热门的市场技能......

" pa ********** @ hotmail.com"写道：

Assuming you''re interested in the Windows platform I''d recommend
that you get aquinted with event driven applications.

Good news that you can leap frog some not so successful
technologies and don''t go directly to the the OO languages.

A good entry point is to start with a VB .NET "Windows Form" project
to get exposed to the event driven application paradigm. You''ll learn
som .NET Framework "for free" on the way and you get the satisfaction
of developing something you can see and show off...

From then I''d do some C# and maybe Java if you''re interested in
the Linux platform.

By the way, .NET knowledge is a hot marketable skill right now...
"pa**********@hotmail.com" wrote:

你好，

我刚刚意识到只有一个g把我和....分开？
Old Coder或Old Codger？

无论如何，自80年代后期以来我一直没有编程。那时我的经验是DEC PDP-11'和VAX'。主要是基本和RMS我已经让自己落后了十年。有这么多，我不知道我开始迷失了。

我希望赶上时代，切实牢记
它需要做很多工作。我手上有很多时间。
这只是出于个人原因。这不是任何工作，现在或未来（即没有迫切需要加强学习）。

除了以生活为目的，我曾经喜欢编程而且<目前健康到足以让它重新开始。我有访问.NET的问题，但问题是从哪里开始？很难离开房子，所以大学课程可能不是一个选择。

我从亚马逊看了很多（并买了一些）书籍而且我很困惑。看起来几乎所有你看的状态都说明你需要工作知识。

我应该：学习.NET框架吗？
学习VB.Net，因为我曾经用Basic编写程序或者用时间​​学习并学习C（或++或＃）？
在80年代，我做了今天可能被称为OOP的东西，或者是它？
XML？天啊，我甚至不知道HTML
或COM或ASP或SQL或我的上帝那么多。或者我是否需要同时学习几件事？

所以，让我们假设我所拥有的一切都是好的，但是过时的编程技巧。你的建议是什么？什么是最好的这几乎50年/
开始？请帮帮忙？！？！？

非常感谢

Hello,

I just realized there''s only a "g" separating me from....me?
Old Coder or Old Codger?

Anyway, I haven''t programmed since the late 80''s. My experience then
was with DEC PDP-11''s and VAX''s. Primarily Basic and RMS I''ve let
myself get a decade+ behind. There''s so much that I don''t know that I
get lost in getting started.

I desire to catch up with the times, realistically keeping in mind
that it will take a lot of work. I have a lot of ''time on my hands''.
This is for personal reasons only. It''s not for any job, present or
future (ie. no pressing need for accellerated study).

Besides doing it for a living, I used to enjoy programming and am
currently healthy enough to want to give it a new go. I have access
to .NET but the question is where to start? It''s hard to get out of
the house, so college courses are probably not an option.

I''ve looked at a lot (and bought a few) books from Amazon and I''m
fairly confused. It seems that almost everything you look at states
you need working knowledge in something else.

Should I: Learn the .NET framework?
Learn VB.Net because I used to program in Basic or get
with the times and learn C (or ++ or #)?
In the 80''s I did what was probably called OOP today, or is it?
XML? Hell, I don''t even know HTML
Or COM or ASP or SQL or my God there''s so much. Or will I need to
study several things at the same time?

So, let''s assume that all I have is good, but archaic, programming
skills. What''s your advice? What is best for this almost 50 y/o to
start with? Help please?!?!?

Thank you very much

Hi Parametriceq！ （必须是音乐家......）

要尝试的是MCAD书籍。 Que有一个很棒的系列，它有两个
VB.NET和C＃版本，很多练习，并且不是''这是一个

如果，这是一个案件''的东西。从Windows开始，然后转到网站上的
。

http：// www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

要获得良好的整体语言起点，请尝试C＃和。 NET

平台。这仅仅使用

命令行编译器和.NET框架来编写裸机编程。这个甚至不需要
真的需要Visual Studio。


至于方向，最好的办法是决定写点什么，

然后只是'做''它。另外，也许可以查看使用开源

..NET项目。有很多很棒的项目需要帮助。


祝你好运！

- Dave Scheidt

Hi Parametriceq! (Must be a musician as well...)
One thing to try is the MCAD books. Que has a great series, it has both
VB.NET and C# versions, lots of exercises, and is not too ''this is an
if, this is a case'' kind of stuff. Start with the Windows and move to
the Web.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

For a good overall language starting point, try "C# and the .NET
Platform". This covers the ''bare metal'' programming using just the
command line compiler, and the .NET framework. This one doesn''t even
really require Visual Studio.

As for a direction, the best thing to do is decide on writing something,
then just ''doing'' it. Also, maybe check out working with an Open Source
..NET project. There''s a lot of great projects that need help.

Good luck!
- Dave Scheidt

来自另一个的旧编码器，

作为最近退休的编码器（FORTRAN，Basic，C，C ++，Java，C＃）让我

建议VB.Net或者C＃（你可以用

完成相同的工作）。如果您对C＃感兴趣，请从它开始 - 不要以C

或C ++开头，除非您真的只想学习一些语言。如果您对Windows感兴趣，请尝试使用Charles Petzold的编程书籍

Windows（我相信有一个C＃版本和一个VB.Net版本）。

祝你好运，玩得开心。

Bob Milton


< pa ********** @ hotmail.com>在消息中写道

news：53 ******************************** @ 4ax.com ...

To Old Coder from another,
As a recently retired coder (FORTRAN, Basic, C, C++, Java, C#) let me
suggest either VB.Net or C# (you can accomplish pretty much the same with
either). If you have an interest in C#, start with it - don''t start with C
or C++ unless you really just want to learn a bit of several languages. If
you are interested in Windows, try Charles Petzold''s books for Programming
Windows (I believe there is a version for C# and one for VB.Net).
Good luck, and have fun.
Bob Milton

<pa**********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:53********************************@4ax.com...

你好，

我刚刚意识到只有一个g把我和....分开？
Old Coder或Old Codger？

无论如何，自80年代后期以来我一直没有编程。那时我的经验是DEC PDP-11'和VAX'。主要是基本和RMS我已经让自己落后了十年。有这么多，我不知道我开始迷失了。

我希望赶上时代，切实牢记
它需要做很多工作。我手上有很多时间。
这只是出于个人原因。这不是任何工作，现在或未来（即没有迫切需要加强学习）。

除了以生活为目的，我曾经喜欢编程而且<目前健康到足以让它重新开始。我有访问.NET的问题，但问题是从哪里开始？很难离开房子，所以大学课程可能不是一个选择。

我从亚马逊看了很多（并买了一些）书籍而且我很困惑。看起来几乎所有你看的状态都说明你需要工作知识。

我应该：学习.NET框架吗？
学习VB.Net，因为我曾经用Basic编写程序或者用时间​​学习并学习C（或++或＃）？
在80年代，我做了今天可能被称为OOP的东西，或者是它？
XML？天啊，我甚至不知道HTML
或COM或ASP或SQL或我的上帝那么多。或者我是否需要同时学习几件事？

所以，让我们假设我所拥有的一切都是好的，但是过时的编程技巧。你的建议是什么？什么是最好的这几乎50年/
开始？请帮帮忙？！？！？

非常感谢

Hello,

I just realized there''s only a "g" separating me from....me?
Old Coder or Old Codger?

Anyway, I haven''t programmed since the late 80''s. My experience then
was with DEC PDP-11''s and VAX''s. Primarily Basic and RMS I''ve let
myself get a decade+ behind. There''s so much that I don''t know that I
get lost in getting started.

I desire to catch up with the times, realistically keeping in mind
that it will take a lot of work. I have a lot of ''time on my hands''.
This is for personal reasons only. It''s not for any job, present or
future (ie. no pressing need for accellerated study).

Besides doing it for a living, I used to enjoy programming and am
currently healthy enough to want to give it a new go. I have access
to .NET but the question is where to start? It''s hard to get out of
the house, so college courses are probably not an option.

I''ve looked at a lot (and bought a few) books from Amazon and I''m
fairly confused. It seems that almost everything you look at states
you need working knowledge in something else.

Should I: Learn the .NET framework?
Learn VB.Net because I used to program in Basic or get
with the times and learn C (or ++ or #)?
In the 80''s I did what was probably called OOP today, or is it?
XML? Hell, I don''t even know HTML
Or COM or ASP or SQL or my God there''s so much. Or will I need to
study several things at the same time?

So, let''s assume that all I have is good, but archaic, programming
skills. What''s your advice? What is best for this almost 50 y/o to
start with? Help please?!?!?

Thank you very much

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