在什么时候列表太大? [英] At what point a list too large?

问题描述

问题与人机交互有关.

我一遍又一遍地读了一些评论，这些评论批评了非常庞大的清单，而且它们的设计不佳，但我不记得曾见过有关合适尺寸的建议.有没有对此做过任何研究?

应该向用户显示的最大列表是什么?儿童和成人有不同的答案吗?我可以假设，例如，科学家可能或者愿意处理比玩家更多的清单.

对文章和研究的意见或链接将不胜感激.

更新:

(感谢您对OriginalGriff& SAKryukov的回复)

假设您想呈现本质上是置换的结果.在某个时候，您将不得不为n或k的值选择一个任意限制...或者您愿意吗?就我个人而言，我不介意浏览一百万或更多的项目.我一个人吗?

也许我可以设计某种方式来警告用户他们将进入更深的水域.还是设置任意限制更好?

The question has to do with Human Computer Interaction.

Over and over I''ve read responses that criticize very large lists and that they are poor design but I don''t recall having seen suggestions for appropriate sizes. Has there been any research done on this?

What is the largest sized list that should ever be presented to a user? Is there a different answer for children and adults? I could assume that scientists, for instance, might be able to, or want to handle a larger list than say a gamer.

Opinions or links to articles and studies would be greatly appreciated.

Update:

(Thanks for the responses OriginalGriff & SAKryukov)

Let''s say you wanted to present results that were permutative in nature. At some point you''d have to choose an arbitrary limit for the value of n or k...or would you? Personally, I don''t mind zipping through a million or more items. Am I alone?

Maybe I could just design things in a way to warn users they would be getting into deeper waters. Or is it better to set arbitrary limits?

推荐答案

这是一个非常困难的问题，答案有点模糊:取决于".

列表是一个问题:用户过多，就会淹没用户，用户过多，会使他们感到沮丧.
在很大程度上，它取决于列表中的内容:(例如)如果是文件列表，则只要按字母顺序对名称进行排序，那么大多数情况就可以了-但即使单个文件的大小也会损坏列表的以字母X开头"部分太大.如果有可能将其分为相关的组，并为组列表和组内容使用单独的控件，则可能会有所帮助.此外，自动完成列表(在其中键入内容)会像VS Intellisense一样显示剩余的匹配项列表，这确实有帮助.

对于儿童友好的非常短的列表可能是合理的，但是否则，用户的智能/科学性与冗长的列表导致的沮丧感毫无关系.

我最好的建议是:将自己放在用户的位置，并尝试使用您的设计一两个小时.如果可以改进，您很快就会知道！ :laugh:

This is a very difficult question, and the answer is a bit vague: "it depends".

Lists are a problem: too much and you swamp the user, too little and you frustrate them.
To a large extent, it depends on what is in the list: if (for example) it is a file list, then provided the names are sorted alphabetically, then mostly you are ok - but even that breaks down when the size of a single "starts with the letter X" part of the list gets too big. If it is possible to break it into related groups, and use separate controls for the group list and the group contents, that can help. Also, auto complete lists, where you type and it shows you the list of matches remaining as VS Intellisense does can really help.

There may be a justification for child-friendly very short lists, but otherwise the intelligence / scientific-ness of the user has little to do with the frustration caused by over-long lists with no help.

My best suggestion is: put yourself in the place of a user, and try working with your design for and hour or two. You will soon get the idea if it can be improved! :laugh:

在这种模糊集问题上很难回答.我对这项研究一无所知，也不太相信这种研究，因为真正的问题是准则.

因此，仅需注意一些事项.

与屏幕和一次查看整个列表的能力相比，大多数感觉将是列表大小.即使这有些不合理，人们也只能真正相信可以立即观察到的数据.因此，答案将取决于屏幕大小和字体大小，这对每个用户而言都是个别的，但并没有太大的不同.大多数用户将避免在一个屏幕上不滚动就看不见的任何内容.在列表大小约为屏幕高度的情况下，人们会避免使用不允许扩展显示整个列表的方式的应用程序.我猜，即使他们几乎从不使用此列表.如果该应用程序仅发生一次，则可以轻松将其列入黑名单.

在某些例外情况下，人们会被激怒，但很容易同意容忍一长串.特别是，如果众所周知的情况(如国家/地区列表)按字母顺序排列，就会发生这种情况.人们会按预期接受一长串的清单.其他因素包括信息的重要性和合理性.人们会容忍他们认为合理或只是有趣或难以发现的事情.

但是，如果列表太长，则仅从10多个行开始.或20或30.在这种情况下，个人喜好最明显.

我认为您对社交团体的偏好有误解.例如，对长列表的最小容忍度肯定是科学家，而对最大列表的容忍度可能是游戏玩家.真正的科学家喜欢在概念层面上思考，根本不会在某些特定区域之外察觉到像数字这样的原始数据.例如，大多数正常的物理学家非常擅长估计物体的大小(以厘米或光年为单位)以及许多过程的时间跨度，但几乎不会同意计算要花在购物上的一些钱.长长的清单也是如此；他们将不愿意使用10个以上的列表(也是单个列表).同样，真正的科学家通常讨厌白痴.长列表通常可以很好地说明这种质量".

我认为，对于儿童来说，情况将相当复杂:他们可能会过高估计他们使用长名单的能力，因此同意使用更长的名单；因此在现实生活中，他们会犯更多错误；它极大地取决于年龄以及个人特征；孩子们尚未被社会抛光"，并在简单的任务中保留了更多的个性.

看到一些实验结果并估算我的猜测会很有趣，但是这些实验很难正确.根据我的经验，向我提供了一些社会调查问卷，但是却无法填写其中一个:问题的具体程度无法完成任务. :-)

—SA

Hard to answer in such a fuzzy-set matter. I have no idea on the research and I would not believe in such research much, because the real problem is the criteria.

So, just a few notes.

A list size would be perceived mostly in comparison with the screen and ability to see the whole list at once. Even if this is somewhat irrational, people only really believe in data which they can observe at once. So, the answer will depend on screen size and font size, which is individual to each user but not dramatically different. Anything which is not visible on one screen without scrolling will be avoided by most users. In the cases when the list size is about the screen height, people would avoid applications which do not allow to expand the way to show the whole list. I guess, even if they almost never use this list. The application can be easily blacklisted if it happens just once.

There are exclusions where people will be irritated but will readily agree to tolerate a long list. In particular, it will happen if well-known cases such as list of countries, alphabetical. People will tolerate a long list when it''s expected. Other factors include importance of information and the level of rationality. People will tolerate what they think is rational or just interesting, or hard-to-find.

However, the irritation with too long list will start from just more than 10 lines. Or 20, or 30. Here is the case where the individual preferences will be the most observable.

I think you have a misconception about the preferences of social groups. For example, the least tolerant to long lists are certainly scientists, and most tolerant are probably gamers. Real scientists like to think on conceptual level and simply do not perceive raw data like figures — outside some specific area. For example, most normal physicists are very good at estimation of sizes of objects in centimeters or light-years and time spans of many processes but will hardly agree to calculate a some of money to be spent on shopping; same thing with long lists; they will be reluctant to work with a list of more than 10 (also individual). Also, real scientists usually hate idiocy; and the long list is often a good indication of such "quality".

I think, with children the situation will be rather complex: they will agree to work with longer lists by might strongly over-estimate their ability to work with long list; so in real life they will make more mistakes; it depends on the age dramatically as well as individual traits; kids are not yet "polished" by society and keep more individual traits in simple tasks.

It would be interesting to see some experimental results and estimate my guesswork, but the experiments are hard to make correct. In my experience, I''ve been offered social some research questionnaires, but never was able to fill a single one in: the level of idiocy of questions was not acceptable to complete the task. :-)

—SA

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