为什么IT人员讨厌MS Access？ [英] Why do IT guys hate MS Access?
问题描述
我们的IT人员正在反对MS Access（和Lotus Notes，但是他们已经赢得了这场战斗的
）。我无法理解的是，问题是什么？为什么
我非常讨厌MS Access。
我试图找出它究竟是谁想要摆脱它，但是/>
我找不到任何会承认试图摆脱它的人。然而，
我总是听说他们如何逐步淘汰。或者摆脱它。
因为没有人拥有我甚至不能就MS Access的专业人士和
cons进行公开辩论。
关于MS-Access
可以做什么和不能做什么的虚假信息当然是惊人的。 MS Access阻塞网络。好吧是啊...当它
强迫你在网络上安装客户端服务器应用程序的客户端
服务器它。为什么IT开发人员的客户可以驻留在PC上，但是一个非b $ b非IT开发人员的客户不可能？ MS-Access要求您下载副本
的数据，然后才能创建管理报告。好吧，我们有一个叫做ODBC的b $ b东西。 MS-Access不允许你设置视图/派生
表/抽象层/多维立方体blah，blah，blah"好吧，实际上是
，......确实如此！ MS-Access不能向网络发布报告。错了！
你不能将Access 95/97应用程序升级到Access 2000/2003 / XP。 Bzzzt！错了
再次！
与此同时，MS-Access拥有多项优异的优势（a）（差不多）
全面的SDK （b）其便宜（c）很多人都有技能（对于MS Access开发人员来说，没有
$ 1500 /天）（d）它与
很好地集成在一起电子表格，文字处理器及其操作系统（e）它的背景
敏感的帮助简直太棒了（f）它几乎没有限制
关于聚合通过聚合聚合或过滤，维护先前计算的数据等等。看看我可以继续，但我没有
论坛来争辩我的情况。
那么它是什么？它是Access的安全模型吗？当非IT
开发者跳过城镇时，是否担心IT
将留下未记录的意大利面条编码的婴儿？难道只是它是微软，而且它很酷，比如盖茨？或者是IT不喜欢非IT人员可以通过VB编码环境访问VB编码环境，这可以用来克服PC和网络安全吗？或者是其他什么？
我曾经负责Oracle DBA并负责
组织的数据管理政策。我当时没有反对MS Access。
那么这笔交易是什么？
问候，
Jeff Popova-Clark
澳大利亚黄金海岸
-
通过AccessMonster.com发布消息
http://www.accessmonster.com/Uwe/For...ccess/200509 / 1
Our IT guys are on a vendetta against MS Access (and Lotus Notes but they''ve
won that fight). What I can''t understand is, what''s the problem? Why does
IT hate MS Access so much.
I have tried to find out who it is that actually wants to get rid of it, but
I can''t find anyone who will admit to trying to get rid of it. Nevertheless,
I''m always hearing about how their "phasing it out" or "getting rid of it".
Because no-one owns up I can''t even have an open debate about the pros and
cons of MS Access.
It is certainly amazing what disinformation is out there about what MS-Access
can and can''t do. "MS Access clogs up the network". Well yeah... when IT
forces you to install the client of your client server app on the Network
Server it does. How come IT developer''s clients can reside on the PC, but a
non-IT developer''s client can''t? "MS-Access requires you to download a copy
of the data before you can create a management report". Well no, we have a
thing called ODBC. "MS-Access doesn''t let you set up views/derived
tables/abstraction layer/ multi-dimensional cubes blah, blah, blah" Well,
actually,... it does! "MS-Access can''t publish reports to the web" Wrong!
"You can''t upgrade Access 95/97 apps to Access 2000/2003/XP". Bzzzt! Wrong
again!
Meanwhile MS-Access has a number of exceptional strengths (a) an (almost)
comprehensive SDK (b) its cheap (c) lots of people have skills in it (no
$1500/day for an MS Access developer) (d) its well integrated with a
spreadsheet, a wordprocessor and its operating system (e) it''s context
sensitive help is nothing short of fabulous (f) it has few limitations with
regard to aggregating aggregates or filtering by aggregates, maintaining
previously calculated data, etc etc. Look I could go on, but I have no
forum to argue my case.
So what is it? Is it the security model of Access? Is it the fear that IT
will be left holding the undocumented spaghetti-coded baby when the non-IT
developer skips town? Is it just that it''s Microsoft, and its cool to thumb
your nose at Bill Gates? Or is it that IT doesn''t like non-IT people having
access to the VB coding environment which can be used to overcome PC and
possibly Network security? Or is it something else?
I used to be in charge of Oracle DBAs and have been responsible for an
organisation''s data management policy. I had nothing against MS Access then.
So what''s the deal?
Regards,
Jeff Popova-Clark
Gold Coast Australia
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推荐答案
1500 /天的MS Access开发人员）（d）它与
$ b完美集成$ b电子表格，一个文字处理器及其操作系统（e）它的背景
敏感的帮助简直太棒了（f）它几乎没有限制
方面聚合聚合或按聚合过滤，维护先前计算的数据等等。看看我可以继续，但我没有
论坛来辩论我的案例。 />
那么它是什么？它是Access的安全模型吗？当非IT
开发者跳过城镇时，是否担心IT
将留下未记录的意大利面条编码的婴儿？难道只是它是微软，而且它很酷，比如盖茨？或者是IT不喜欢非IT人员可以通过VB编码环境访问VB编码环境，这可以用来克服PC和网络安全吗？或者是其他什么？
我曾经负责Oracle DBA并负责
组织的数据管理政策。我当时没有反对MS Access。
那么这笔交易是什么？
问候，
Jeff Popova-Clark
澳大利亚黄金海岸
-
通过AccessMonster.com发布消息
http://www.accessmonster.com/Uwe/For...ccess/200509 / 1
1500/day for an MS Access developer) (d) its well integrated with a
spreadsheet, a wordprocessor and its operating system (e) it''s context
sensitive help is nothing short of fabulous (f) it has few limitations with
regard to aggregating aggregates or filtering by aggregates, maintaining
previously calculated data, etc etc. Look I could go on, but I have no
forum to argue my case.
So what is it? Is it the security model of Access? Is it the fear that IT
will be left holding the undocumented spaghetti-coded baby when the non-IT
developer skips town? Is it just that it''s Microsoft, and its cool to thumb
your nose at Bill Gates? Or is it that IT doesn''t like non-IT people having
access to the VB coding environment which can be used to overcome PC and
possibly Network security? Or is it something else?
I used to be in charge of Oracle DBAs and have been responsible for an
organisation''s data management policy. I had nothing against MS Access then.
So what''s the deal?
Regards,
Jeff Popova-Clark
Gold Coast Australia
--
Message posted via AccessMonster.com
http://www.accessmonster.com/Uwe/For...ccess/200509/1
2005年9月27日星期二01:23:19 GMT，Jeffrey P via AccessMonster.com
< u12062 @ uwe>写道：
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 01:23:19 GMT, "Jeffrey P via AccessMonster.com"
<u12062@uwe> wrote:
我们的IT人员正在反对MS Access（和Lotus Notes，但他们已经赢得了这场战斗）的仇杀。我无法理解的是，问题是什么？为什么它非常讨厌MS Access。
Our IT guys are on a vendetta against MS Access (and Lotus Notes but they''ve
won that fight). What I can''t understand is, what''s the problem? Why does
IT hate MS Access so much.
MS Access使非程序员能够创建成为
的应用程序对组织不可或缺，然后必须由IT维护。
的问题是，尽管应用程序处理真正的业务需求，但它们的设计非常糟糕，因为它们是由非程序员设计的。大多数IT人员从来没有接触到写得很好的Access应用程序，并且因此没有意识到它可以完成。
此外，应用程序很可能从MS Accessm和
开始使用Access''功能。管理层总是不愿意为一个边际工作的应用程序重写支付，因此该应用程序往往会增长，直到它为了维持快速的IT资源量而需要维持，因为它'正在做的事情是'
不是为了处理而设计的。
简而言之 - 访问往往会放大管理问题而对其产生负面影响
IT。
还有另一个因素。使用
等语言工作的昂贵程序员Smalltalk（一种公认的非常好的语言）倾向于不想通过应用程序开发来竞争他们的工作和薪水
-time
由一个没有IT帮助的bookeeper。
MS Access gives non-programmers the ability to create applications that become
indispensible to an organization and then must be maintained by IT. The
trouble is, although the applications handle a real business need, they are
very badly designed because they are designed by non-programmers. Most IT
people have never been exposed to a well-written Access application, and are
consequently unaware that it can be done.
Also, it is quite possible for an application to start out in MS Accessm and
outgrow Access'' capabilities. Management is always reluctant to pay for a
rewrite of a marginally working application, so the app tends to grow until it
eats fast amounts of IT resources to maintain because it''s doing stuff it''s
not designed to handle.
In short - Access tends to amplify management problems that adversely impact
IT.
There is another factor too. Expensive programmers who work in languages like
Smalltalk (an admittedly really nice language) tend not to want to compete for
their jobs and salary with application development that can be done part-time
by a bookeeper with no help from IT.
Jeffrey，
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Jeffrey,
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