工作统计XXVII：Java / J2EE uber alle ???? [英] Job statistics XXVII : Java/J2EE uber alle????
问题描述
我一直认为mauricio aguilar是继续发布的疯狂
这些工作统计数据，当我们都知道C＃/。NET工作有时会上升
并且等于VB和其他非.NET微软技术工作岗位下降。
，搜索引擎也常常被滥用，所以我倾向于选择
玩家，如果可能的话，实际上是通过眼睛计算的（如下所示）。
这里是相关统计数据：
"此列表于2003年4月11日从dice.com上获取。
Numbers显示过去30天内的工作机会没有其他限制：
1. Java - 4355
2. J2EE - 4227
3. Unix - 4173
4. SQL - 3989
5. C ++ - 3888
6. Oracle - 3676
7. ASP - 3309
8. Windows - 2940
9. C - 2587
10. SQL Server - 1916
11.基本 - 1874
12. VB - 1670
13. HTML - 1317
14. DBA - 1198
15. DB2 - 1021
16. Perl - 979
17.主机 - 874
18. PL / SQL - 790
19. Linux - 781
20. WebSphere - 688
21. PHP - 647
22. Sybase - 645
23. WebLogic - 545
24.思科 - 478
25. C＃ - 358
26.阿帕奇 - 244
27 .JMS - 105
28. Informix - 101
29. Tomcat - 77
30. Delphi - 74
31. MySQL - 60
32.. NET - 17
http://www.theserverside.com/discuss...hread_id=18821
http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?...61&thread=8513
一些快速评论：
（1）我对高UNI感到惊讶X和低Linux / Windows
（2）对mysql的明显低需求令人惊讶。
（3）.NET炒作中的明显死亡有望让位于更多
关于c＃和.NET的优点（和缺点）的客观看法
这里是'一个人'（C Thompson）实际上用眼睛计算而不是使用搜索引擎
：
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我的*非常*不科学随机检查骰子列表
硅谷的开发人员似乎显示每个需要C＃或.Net的上市的大约9个工作需要
Java / J233。通过检查
列表，我的意思是实际阅读单个列表的文本。
与我周围的同事听到的内容相符/>
湾区。大概2年前似乎对.Net
框架有很大的兴趣，我知道我花了一些时间来讨论这个问题
我自己2年前。从那以后，嗡嗡声已经消失了很多。我认为这是由于两件事：1）在尝试了简单的程序之后，人们似乎总结说它* *与Java类似，那一个
可以将任何学习时间推迟到真正需要的时候，2）
Java宇宙太丰富而无法忽视，尤其是开源
产品。当你可以免费下载*免费*，
的组件或框架时，没有任何购买理由，许可证麻烦等等，这是非常难以击败的。能够在一个下午下载多个竞争Java解决方案
，保留你喜欢的那个并删除其余的，只是太多了
一个可以走开的交易。
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它只是我，或者是UNIX的一个非常高的数字。 Linux / Windows的价格低吗？b $ b $
asj写道：
好吧，至少在可预见的未来，它看起来像。
我一直认为mauricio aguilar是继续发布
这些工作统计数据的狂热，当我们都知道C＃/ .NET工作有时会上升时随着VB和其他非.NET微软技术工作的平衡下降。
此外，搜索引擎经常被误用，所以我倾向于选择那些实际上是COUNT的人如果可能的话（就像下面一个人那样）。
这里有相关的统计数据：
" T他的名单于2003年4月11日从dice.com上获取。
数字显示过去30天的工作机会，没有其他限制：
1. Java - 4355
2. J2EE - 4227
3. Unix - 4173
4. SQL - 3989
5. C ++ - 3888
6. Oracle - 3676
7. ASP - 3309
8. Windows - 2940
9. C - 2587
10. SQL Server - 1916
11.基本 - 1874
12. VB - 1670
13. HTML - 1317
14. DBA - 1198
15. DB2 - 1021
16. Perl - 979
17.主机 - 874
18. PL / SQL - 790
19. Linux - 781
20. WebSphere - 688
21. PHP - 647
22. Sybase - 645
23. WebLogic - 545 24.思科 - 478
25. C＃ - 358
26.阿帕奇 - 244
27. JMS - 105
28. Informix - 101
29. Tomcat - 77
30. Delphi - 74
31. MySQL - 60
32. .NET - 17
http://www.theserverside.com/discuss。 ..hread_id = 18821
http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?...61&thread=8513
一些快速评论：
（1）我对高UNIX和低Linux / Windows感到惊讶。（2）对mysql的明显低需求令人惊讶。
（3）.NET炒作中明显的死亡将有望让位于更多
关于c＃和.NET的优点（和缺点）的客观看法
这里有一个人（C. Thompson）实际上用眼睛计算而不是使用搜索引擎：
------------------------ -------------------------
对于
开发人员的骰子列表我的*非常*不科学的随机检查对于每个需要C＃或.Net的列表，硅谷似乎显示了大约9个需要Java / J233的工作。通过对列表进行检查，我的意思是实际阅读单个列表的文本。
与我在湾区周围的同事听到的内容相符。大约2年前，似乎对.Net
框架有很多兴趣，我知道我花了一些时间来讨论它自己2年前。从那以后，嗡嗡声已经消失了很多。我认为这是由两件事造成的：1）在C＃中尝试了简单的程序之后，人们似乎得出结论它是* *类似于Java，那个人可以推迟任何学习可能真正需要它的时间，以及2）Java宇宙太丰富而无法忽视，特别是开源的产品。当你可以下载*免费*，
的组件或框架时，没有购买理由，许可证麻烦等等，这很难被击败。能够在一个下午下载多个竞争的Java解决方案，保留你喜欢的那个并删除其余的，只是太过分了。不需要离开。
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首先，您正在使用DICE。坏。非常糟糕。
为什么？因为DICE充满了容易受到威胁的招聘人员，如果他们不能通过电话交谈，那么他们只有很少的b / b
技能。
接下来， DICE去年破产了。
其次，如果你打电话给DICE并询问发布工作需要多少费用，那么你需要b / b
。一周的价格
改变...翻译....他们几乎没有#B>我想赌DICE允许招聘人员发布更多伪造工作只是为了获得
恢复和排序。此外，DICE允许招聘人员重置或以某种方式
重新发布他们的房源....
你可以看到26k工作，这完全没有打击.. ..之间的差别为
24k到26k ....过去大约是18k
使用DICE是纯粹的吐痰...... ..YOu甚至无法比较
城市，因为一到两个招聘机构很容易扭曲结果。我看到
完全相同的.NET工作超过6个月....完整的谎言。经过一些修改后再次发布和
。
" asj" < as*@xzxx.com>在消息新闻中写道：3F *********** @ xzxx.com ...好吧，至少在可预见的未来，它看起来像。
<我一直认为mauricio aguilar是继续发布这些工作统计数据的疯子，当我们都知道C＃/ .NET工作有时会上升
并等同于VB和其他非.NET微软技术工作也会失败。
此外，搜索引擎经常会被误用，所以我倾向于选择那些实际上可以用眼睛计算的人（如下所示）这是'相关的统计数据：
这个清单是在2003年4月11日从dice.com上获取的。
数字显示最近30天的工作机会，没有其他限制：
1. Java - 4355
2. J2EE - 4227
3. Unix - 4173
4. SQL - 3989
5. C ++ - 3888
6. Oracle - 3676
7. ASP - 3309
8. Windows - 2940
9. C - 2587 10. SQL Server - 1916
11.基本 - 1874
12. VB - 1670
13. H. TML - 1317
14. DBA - 1198
15. DB2 - 1021
16. Perl - 979
17.主机 - 874
18. PL / SQL - 790
19. Linux - 781
20. WebSphere - 688
21. PHP - 647
22. Sybase - 645
23. WebLogic - 545
24思科 - 478
25. C＃ - 358
26.阿帕奇 - 244
27. JMS - 105
28. Informix - 101
29. Tomcat - 77 < 30.德尔福 - 74
31. MySQL - 60
32. .NET - 17
http://www.theserverside.com/discuss...hread_id=18821
http：//www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp？.. .61& thread = 8513
一些快速评论：
（1）我对高UNIX和低Linux / Windows感到惊讶
（2）对mysql的明显低需求是令人惊讶的。
（3）.NET炒作中的明显死亡希望让位于c＃和.NET的优点（和缺点）的更客观的观点
这里的一个人（C. Thompson）实际上用眼睛计算而不是使用搜索引擎：
------------------------ -------------------------
对于
开发人员的骰子列表我的*非常*不科学的随机检查对于每个需要C＃或.Net的列表，硅谷似乎显示了大约9个需要Java / J233的工作。通过对列表进行检查，我的意思是实际阅读单个列表的文本。
与我在湾区周围的同事听到的内容相符。大约2年前，似乎对.Net
框架有很多兴趣，我知道我花了一些时间来讨论它自己2年前。从那以后，嗡嗡声已经消失了很多。我认为这是由两件事造成的：1）在C＃中尝试了简单的程序之后，人们似乎得出结论它是* *类似于Java，那个人可以推迟任何学习可能真正需要它的时间，以及2）Java宇宙太丰富而无法忽视，特别是开源的产品。当你可以下载*免费*，
的组件或框架时，没有购买理由，许可证麻烦等等，这很难被击败。能够在一个下午下载多个竞争的Java解决方案，保留你喜欢的那个并删除其余的，只是太过分了。不需要离开。
- --------------------------------------------------
nospam写道：
首先，你正在使用DICE。坏。非常糟糕。
是的，但这与统计数据有什么关系？这样的解释
上面的
不能解释统计数据中出现的偏差。
并且不要说aguilar不是一个持久的bugger ...这里's
更多统计数据，这一次来自monster.com，它确认了趋势：
*我很惊讶Perl在这两种情况下的票价...我以为perl已经是b $ b passe了吗？大声笑
http：/ /www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?...61&thread=8503
Java = 3912
Servlet + Servlets = 3482
C ++ = 2433
J2EE = 1515
Perl = 1306
JSP + Java Server Pages = 1139
C ++和Java = 1025（占C ++开发人员职位的42％）
C＃+ C sharp = 700
ASP.Net + ASP .Net = 568
PHP = 505
VB.Net + VB .Net + Visual Basic.Net + Visual Basic .Net = 467
C＃和Java = 205（为C＃开发人员发布的作业占30％）
Visual Studio.Net + Visual Studio .Net = 143
Phyton = 95
well, at least for the forseeable future, it looks like.
i''ve always thought mauricio aguilar was a loony for continuing to post
these job stats, when we all know C#/.NET jobs HAVE to go up sometime
and equalize as VB and other non-.NET microsoft tech jobs go down.
also, search engines can frequently be misused, so i tend to go with
guys who actually COUNT by eye if possible (as a guy below did).
here''s the relevant stats:
"This list is picked up from dice.com on 11.04.2003.
"Numbers show job offerings in last 30 days with no other restrictions:
1. Java - 4355
2. J2EE - 4227
3. Unix - 4173
4. SQL - 3989
5. C++ - 3888
6. Oracle - 3676
7. ASP - 3309
8. Windows - 2940
9. C - 2587
10. SQL Server - 1916
11. Basic - 1874
12. VB - 1670
13. HTML - 1317
14. DBA - 1198
15. DB2 - 1021
16. Perl - 979
17. Mainframe - 874
18. PL/SQL - 790
19. Linux - 781
20. WebSphere - 688
21. PHP - 647
22. Sybase - 645
23. WebLogic - 545
24. Cisco - 478
25. C# - 358
26. Apache - 244
27. JMS - 105
28. Informix - 101
29. Tomcat - 77
30. Delphi - 74
31. MySQL - 60
32. .NET - 17
http://www.theserverside.com/discuss...hread_id=18821
http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?...61&thread=8513
some fast comments:
(1) i am rather surprised by the high UNIX and low Linux/Windows
(2) the apparent low demand for mysql is surprising.
(3) the apparent death in the .NET hype will hopefully give way to more
objective views on the advantages (and disadvantages) of c# and .NET
here''s one guy (C. Thompson) who actually COUNTED by eye instead of
using a search engine:
-------------------------------------------------
My *very* unscientific random examination of Dice listings for
developers in the Silicon Valley seems to show about 9 jobs requiring
Java/J233 for each listing that wanted C# or .Net. By ''examination'' of
the listings, I mean actually reading the text of individual listings.
That squares with what I have been hearing from colleagues around the
Bay Area. It seemed like there was a lot of interest in the .Net
framework about 2 years ago, I know I spent some time boning up on it
myself 2 years ago. Since then the buzz has died down quite a bit. I
think this is due to two things: 1) After trying out simple programs in
C#, people seemed to conclude it was *so* similar to Java, that one
could defer any learning time to when it might be truly needed, and 2)
the Java universe is just too rich to ignore, especially the Open Source
offerings. When you can download a component or framework for *free*,
with no purchase justifications, license hassles, etc. that''s pretty
hard to beat. Being able to download multiple competing Java solutions
in an afternoon, keep the one you like and delete the rest, is just too
good a deal to walk away from.
---------------------------------------------------
is it just me, or is that a ridiculously high number for "UNIX", and low
numbers for Linux/Windows?
asj wrote:
well, at least for the forseeable future, it looks like.
i''ve always thought mauricio aguilar was a loony for continuing to post
these job stats, when we all know C#/.NET jobs HAVE to go up sometime
and equalize as VB and other non-.NET microsoft tech jobs go down.
also, search engines can frequently be misused, so i tend to go with
guys who actually COUNT by eye if possible (as a guy below did).
here''s the relevant stats:
"This list is picked up from dice.com on 11.04.2003.
"Numbers show job offerings in last 30 days with no other restrictions:
1. Java - 4355
2. J2EE - 4227
3. Unix - 4173
4. SQL - 3989
5. C++ - 3888
6. Oracle - 3676
7. ASP - 3309
8. Windows - 2940
9. C - 2587
10. SQL Server - 1916
11. Basic - 1874
12. VB - 1670
13. HTML - 1317
14. DBA - 1198
15. DB2 - 1021
16. Perl - 979
17. Mainframe - 874
18. PL/SQL - 790
19. Linux - 781
20. WebSphere - 688
21. PHP - 647
22. Sybase - 645
23. WebLogic - 545
24. Cisco - 478
25. C# - 358
26. Apache - 244
27. JMS - 105
28. Informix - 101
29. Tomcat - 77
30. Delphi - 74
31. MySQL - 60
32. .NET - 17
http://www.theserverside.com/discuss...hread_id=18821
http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?...61&thread=8513
some fast comments:
(1) i am rather surprised by the high UNIX and low Linux/Windows
(2) the apparent low demand for mysql is surprising.
(3) the apparent death in the .NET hype will hopefully give way to more
objective views on the advantages (and disadvantages) of c# and .NET
here''s one guy (C. Thompson) who actually COUNTED by eye instead of
using a search engine:
-------------------------------------------------
My *very* unscientific random examination of Dice listings for
developers in the Silicon Valley seems to show about 9 jobs requiring
Java/J233 for each listing that wanted C# or .Net. By ''examination'' of
the listings, I mean actually reading the text of individual listings.
That squares with what I have been hearing from colleagues around the
Bay Area. It seemed like there was a lot of interest in the .Net
framework about 2 years ago, I know I spent some time boning up on it
myself 2 years ago. Since then the buzz has died down quite a bit. I
think this is due to two things: 1) After trying out simple programs in
C#, people seemed to conclude it was *so* similar to Java, that one
could defer any learning time to when it might be truly needed, and 2)
the Java universe is just too rich to ignore, especially the Open Source
offerings. When you can download a component or framework for *free*,
with no purchase justifications, license hassles, etc. that''s pretty
hard to beat. Being able to download multiple competing Java solutions
in an afternoon, keep the one you like and delete the rest, is just too
good a deal to walk away from.
---------------------------------------------------
First of all, you are using DICE. BAD. Very bad.
Why? cause DICE is full of easily threatened recruiters who have very little
skills to fall back on if they can''t talk on the phone.
Next, DICE went bankrupt last year.
Second, if you call DICE and ask how much it costs to post a job, you are
requested to check back every week as the prices
change...translation...."they are barely making it"
I bet DICE is allowing recruiters to post more bogus jobs just to get
resumes and the sort. Also DICE is allowing recruiters to reset or somehow
repost their listings....
YOu can see 26k jobs, which is totally out of whack....fluctuates between
24k to 26k....it used to be around 18k
Using DICE is pure spitting into the wind.......YOu can''t even compare
cities as one to two recruiting agencies can easily skew results. I seen
the exact same .NET job for over 6 months....complete lie..reposted over and
over again with some modifications.
"asj" <as*@xzxx.com> wrote in message news:3F***********@xzxx.com...well, at least for the forseeable future, it looks like.
i''ve always thought mauricio aguilar was a loony for continuing to post
these job stats, when we all know C#/.NET jobs HAVE to go up sometime
and equalize as VB and other non-.NET microsoft tech jobs go down.
also, search engines can frequently be misused, so i tend to go with
guys who actually COUNT by eye if possible (as a guy below did).
here''s the relevant stats:
"This list is picked up from dice.com on 11.04.2003.
"Numbers show job offerings in last 30 days with no other restrictions:
1. Java - 4355
2. J2EE - 4227
3. Unix - 4173
4. SQL - 3989
5. C++ - 3888
6. Oracle - 3676
7. ASP - 3309
8. Windows - 2940
9. C - 2587
10. SQL Server - 1916
11. Basic - 1874
12. VB - 1670
13. HTML - 1317
14. DBA - 1198
15. DB2 - 1021
16. Perl - 979
17. Mainframe - 874
18. PL/SQL - 790
19. Linux - 781
20. WebSphere - 688
21. PHP - 647
22. Sybase - 645
23. WebLogic - 545
24. Cisco - 478
25. C# - 358
26. Apache - 244
27. JMS - 105
28. Informix - 101
29. Tomcat - 77
30. Delphi - 74
31. MySQL - 60
32. .NET - 17
http://www.theserverside.com/discuss...hread_id=18821
http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?...61&thread=8513
some fast comments:
(1) i am rather surprised by the high UNIX and low Linux/Windows
(2) the apparent low demand for mysql is surprising.
(3) the apparent death in the .NET hype will hopefully give way to more
objective views on the advantages (and disadvantages) of c# and .NET
here''s one guy (C. Thompson) who actually COUNTED by eye instead of
using a search engine:
-------------------------------------------------
My *very* unscientific random examination of Dice listings for
developers in the Silicon Valley seems to show about 9 jobs requiring
Java/J233 for each listing that wanted C# or .Net. By ''examination'' of
the listings, I mean actually reading the text of individual listings.
That squares with what I have been hearing from colleagues around the
Bay Area. It seemed like there was a lot of interest in the .Net
framework about 2 years ago, I know I spent some time boning up on it
myself 2 years ago. Since then the buzz has died down quite a bit. I
think this is due to two things: 1) After trying out simple programs in
C#, people seemed to conclude it was *so* similar to Java, that one
could defer any learning time to when it might be truly needed, and 2)
the Java universe is just too rich to ignore, especially the Open Source
offerings. When you can download a component or framework for *free*,
with no purchase justifications, license hassles, etc. that''s pretty
hard to beat. Being able to download multiple competing Java solutions
in an afternoon, keep the one you like and delete the rest, is just too
good a deal to walk away from.
---------------------------------------------------
nospam wrote:
First of all, you are using DICE. BAD. Very bad.
yeah, but what does that have to do with the stats? such explanations
above would not explain the deviations seen in the stats.
and let it not be said that aguilar is not a persistent bugger...here''s
more stats, this time from monster.com, which confirms trends:
* i''m surprised at how Perl fares in both cases...i thought perl was
passe already? LOL
http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?...61&thread=8503
Java = 3912
Servlet + Servlets = 3482
C++ = 2433
J2EE = 1515
Perl = 1306
JSP + Java Server Pages = 1139
C++ and Java = 1025 (42% of the jobs posted for C++ developers)
C# + C sharp = 700
ASP.Net + ASP .Net = 568
PHP = 505
VB.Net + VB .Net + Visual Basic.Net + Visual Basic .Net = 467
C# and Java = 205 (30% of the jobs posted for C# developers)
Visual Studio.Net + Visual Studio .Net = 143
Phyton = 95
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