GNU / Linux何时为Joe用户做好准备？ [英] When Will GNU/Linux Be Ready for Joe User?
问题描述
我正在进行一项调查。
您认为GNU / Linux什么时候可以为普通的Joe做好准备？什么
必须首先克服障碍？
2004年5月18日星期二18:43:49 +0000，西蒙写道：
我正在进行一项调查。
你认为GNU / Linux什么时候会为普通的Joe做好准备？首先必须克服哪些障碍？
我应该想到，大约在2002年中期。
2004年5月18日星期二21:43:49 -0400，Simon写道：
我正在做一项调查。
你认为GNU / Linux什么时候会为普通的Joe做好准备？必须先克服哪些障碍？
它已经准备好了。普通的乔只需要学习如何思考
而不是期望有人一直牵着他的手。
其中一件我讨厌的事情关于其他操作系统那是通过
默认它设置了这个让我帮你完成这个困难的
程序心态。我试图开箱即用的每一个该死的东西都是
与之相关的一些frickin''向导。虽然这对于5岁的第一台玩具电脑来说非常棒，但这并不是一个聪明的b $ b b需要的东西。 />
有些事情对于向导来说是件好事。例如，设置
电子邮件或网络连接。更好的是INTUITIVE
配置窗口。我的上帝，很难理解邮件
服务器登录名你必须向这些白痴解释这是
at（@）sign左边的部分？也许这就是我长大了
处理电脑，特别是BBS。也许是因为当我们获得我们的第一个AOL账户时，我注意到我的登录和我的电子邮件地址
在左侧部分（ 2）签署我们是一样的。我想期待
普通人能够认出一些东西，所以frickin''明显要求太多
多了。这些是我们不需要巫师的东西。这些是我们的东西我们应该简单地教人们，所以他们不需要那些狡猾的巫师。
对我来说，我实际上更不安心使用向导而不是使用
配置窗口。想一想：当你正在做你的工作，或者获得贷款，或者报名参加某项服务或其他什么时，你想要吗？b $ b有人坐在那里解释给你的东西，告诉你在这里，这里和这里签署
当你已经知道他们告诉你什么并且
你已经知道你的签名在标有签名的行上？
所以，如果是平均乔，每个该死的东西都需要巫师，好吧，
有Linux发行版就足够了。 Mandrake是一个很好的
的例子。但是，在Linux中有很多东西，只有
没有向导。 平均乔是指平均乔。必须能够自己学习和思考自己才能真正充分利用Linux，或者甚至可以从其他操作系统过渡到
;值得。但是，他没有/有
到。可以完成/ AVERAGE /用户想要做的任何事情。请注意，
有些东西并非完全100％交叉兼容，比如转换
专有的MS文件格式和StarOffice使用的开放格式，但是
平均乔不需要与其他
人分享文字处理器文件。至少，我从来没有。我只有一两位教授在
大学里，他们希望通过电子邮件接通家庭作业，而且他们就像纯文本一样满意，而且完整的Powerpoint演示文稿也是如此。事实上，我的上一个人文学教授更喜欢纯文本。
这一切都归结为普通用户想要做的事情。
OTOH，我一直都是修补匠，这让我陷入困境
有时候。然而，我学到了。这让我想到了。我卡住了，然后我想要解决一个问题，我认为直到我解决它。那是我抛弃曼德拉克的原因之一。它很无聊。它并没有搞砸。为了尝试高速的互联网连接，我跑出去尝试的东西是b / b
所以我可以下载大量的东西。我也厌倦了感觉我没有充分利用我的电脑。我想
扩展。我的大脑需要一些lebensraum，一些新的尝试。
所以几天前我进行了潜水并重新格式化/重新分配我的
驱动器来运行Debian。没有像我一样擦拭它，但是我想
所以我可以在几个月之前摆脱那么多
之后重组。这是一种思想和刺激的练习，我会承认。如果你像我一样努力，安装Linux会很困难。我需要安装个别包装，所以我知道那里有什么，我知道
只有我认为我想要或需要的东西才有。出于同样的原因，
普通用户可能会看到Mandrake的安装程序屏幕，请参阅
图形桌面，网络服务器，并且可能是 ;游戏站然后点击
这些选项并思考gee，这是膨胀。因为它安装了最常用的
常用的X Windows应用程序和窗口管理器，如KDE，Gnome，
以及Fluxbox或WindowMaker以及某种形式的Apache web
服务器和一些像Tuxracer和一些纸牌游戏的游戏。一切都在
场景背后，所有人都不知道安装它的普通乔。
平均乔甚至不知道什么是难的磁盘是，安装
Mandrake。但是，Debian需要更多的大脑。
所以，我考虑一下我在输入这个回复的时间有多长，以及
语言不连贯它可能看起来（因为我已经完成并添加了它作为新的
想法来到我身边，我当然忘了添加关键点我
我想做（我很累，让我一个人呆着）），我可以总结一下
几个关键点。 Linux是否已经为普通乔准备好了
取决于：
*你称之为平均值。
*他是什么想要用他的电脑。具体而言。
（即活动）
*他需要从他的电脑到使用它。
（即，它如何帮助他;他收到了什么好处）
*我们正在谈论什么分配。
（或者，我们打算使用最适合AJ的东西吗？）
*如果有些事情发生不完美，
*他会尝试自己解决吗？
*他想要一个巫师为他做这件事吗？
*他是否愿意接受Google作为参考工具
* Ditto Usenet
*同上邮件列表/列表存档
*他可以使用什么样的软件安装
（大多数流行的发行版都使用某种形式的安装工具。
Debian有apt-get / dpkg，Red Hat和Mandrake有RPM等。
有些软件没有包装形式，因为它们不是
足够流行以保证可以进行的工作，
所以我们的伙伴AJ可以学习./ configure，make，make
install"？）
恕我直言，Linux准备就绪。几年前，当我第一次从当地的沃尔玛那里拿到一份Mandrake 8.1时，已经准备好了。在我的道奇代托纳旁边，我做过最好的购买
。有些硬件支持有限，所以你必须要小心。当你只与世界上最大的软件集团竞争时，你需要付出代价，而b $ b试图设定自己的标准。当然，他有钱可以将他的操作系统放在戴尔，康柏和
Hewlitt-Packard销售的电脑上，仅举几例，制作它是计算机操作系统中最公认的名称
，因此是人们最有可能获得软件的操作系统，因此最有可能获得硬件操作系统
制造商为其编写驱动程序。此外，与ATI和nVidia以及matrox不同，许多硬件制造商认为通过为他们的硬件编写驱动程序，他们必须放弃所有赚钱的秘密并且/>
代码。当然，正如nVidia所表明的那样，他们不要这样做。质量好的b $ b产品仍然可以赚钱，所以也许其他
制造商只是害怕他们不能辜负质量
没有MS赚钱。我不知道，我也不在乎。
我在家里使用Windows做一件事。极品飞车4：高额桌，
极品飞车5：保时捷未发布，下降3：雇佣兵，三角洲力量，
和Viper Racing。
关于linux的一个坏处是游戏支持。我在linux上玩过的大部分工作的b / b $ b游戏看起来像我在1996年用我的b
486-DX4 / 133运行的旧DOS游戏。其他的只是简单的那个OpenGL或者Mesa，在Windows中也很慢（但不是那么慢），这太快了。
Windows中的DirectX似乎足够快，为什么没有'' Linux沿着这些线路有什么东西？b $ b？或者是，那个'没有被编码员实现？
我看到很多游戏看起来像是他们有踢图片，但他们
需要这个GL不值得飞鼠的尾巴的废话
我的系统。我能够在Windows上运行这款AMD K6-2 / 300上的Descent3运行DirectX，但在Windows上的Pentium-III 700上运行OpenGL时运行效果不是很好。我还没有找到一个远程游戏，就像我在Linux上可以玩的那样精美。
Descent3。 Tuxracer是最接近的。 XRacer，即使在我的P-III笔记本电脑上也完全无法播放。
现在，我注意到Debian有很多*** ***比Mandorake做的更好地使用内存。 Mandrake经常让我跑出一半的内存并交换，
而我/现在/看到Debian的使用量达到了四分之一。
也许它会更好地运行我的游戏。
我安装了一些。我会尝试一下。
除了游戏之外，Linux已经完成了我所要求的一切，然后
。它当然准备好了。我将它用于NAT /伪装，防火墙，
办公效率，网页浏览，Usenet，电子邮件，在我的电视上看电视
ATI AIW Pro，听MP3，等等等等等等。我已经获得了我的即时消息，我可以从Unix获得所有应用程序的应用程序
与AIM对话到ICQ到Yahoo!到MSN到Jabber甚至VoIP应用程序
像GnomeMeeting - Netmeeting兼容程序，以及
其他几个我不记得的名字（点击google，我''很累）。
有些应用程序可以将您的计算机变成PBX交换机，
a语音邮件机，甚至是基于菜单的自动电话程序
thingy。我忘记了他们所说的话。甚至可以按需传真，IIRC。
因为我今天正在安装包裹，我跑过了两个必须已经两个
或三个DOZEN火腿无线电相关的应用程序，申请跟踪
项目，申请
该死的，几乎所有包括游戏（如果我能算出来的话）
如何获得DOOM或QUAKE使用我得到的WAD文件......）（其他一些
时间）
Linux是否已准备好使用AJ？你告诉我。我已经打了一个小时了。
它的就寝时间。
HIH
CJ
Simon写道：
我正在做一项调查。
你怎么想？ GNU / Linux将为普通的Joe做好准备吗？必须首先克服哪些障碍？
它可能永远不会为Joe做好准备。
但它是Juan，Chang和Rajiv已经在使用
由于微软的影响，乔在技术曲线上落后了...... b $ b保护主义（读：保护鲍尔默''
I''m doing a survey.
When do you think GNU/Linux will be ready for the average Joe? What
obstacles must it overcome first?
On Tue, 18 May 2004 18:43:49 +0000, Simon wrote:
I''m doing a survey.
When do you think GNU/Linux will be ready for the average Joe? What
obstacles must it overcome first?
I should think, about the middle of 2002.
On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:43:49 -0400, Simon wrote:
I''m doing a survey.
When do you think GNU/Linux will be ready for the average Joe? What
obstacles must it overcome first?
It already is ready. The average joe just needs to learn how to think
instead of expecting to have someone hold his hand the whole way through.
One of the things I hated about the "other operating system" was that by
default it was set up with this "let me help you through this difficult
procedure" mindset. Every damned thing I tried to do out of the box had
some frickin'' wizard associated with it. While this is great for a
5-year-old''s first toy computer, this isn''t something that an intelligent
person needs to have.
Some things it''s good to have wizards for. For instance, setting up
e-mail or a network connection. What would be better would be INTUITIVE
configuration windows. My God, what is so hard to understand about "mail
server login name" that you have to explain to these idiots that "this is
the part to the left of the at (@) sign"? Maybe it''s that I grew up
dealing with computers and specifically BBSes. Maybe it''s that when we
got our first AOL account I noticed that my login and my e-mail address
"on the left part of the at (2) sign" were the same. I guess expecting
normal people to recognize something so frickin'' blatant is asking too
much. These are things we don''t need wizards for. These are things we
should simply teach people about so they don''t NEED the frickin'' wizards.
For me, I actually am more disturbed to use a wizard than to use the
configuration window. Think about it: when you''re doing your job, or
getting a loan, or signing up for some service or whatever, do you want
someone sitting there explaining things to you, and telling you to "sign
here, here, and here" when you already know what they''re telling you and
you already know that your signature goes on the lines marked "signature"?
So, if the "average joe" wants wizards for every damned thing, well,
there are Linux distributions that would suffice. Mandrake is a good
example. However, there are many things in Linux that there simply are
no wizards for. The "average joe" has to be able to learn and think for
himself before he can truly make the most of using Linux, or, even to
make the transition from the "other OS" worth it. But, he doesn''t /have/
to. Anything the /AVERAGE/ user wants to do, can be done. Mind you,
some things are not fully 100% cross-compatible, like converting between
proprietary MS file formats and open formats like StarOffice uses, but
the average joe won''t need to share word processor files with other
people. At least, I never did. I only had one or two professors at
college who wanted homework turned in via e-mail, and they were just as
happy with plain text as with full blown Powerpoint presentations. In
fact, my last Humanities professor preferred plain text.
It all comes down to what the average user wants to do.
OTOH, I have always been a tinkerer and that gets me in trouble
sometimes. Yet, I learn. It makes me think. I get stuck, and then I
have a problem I want to solve, and I think until I solve it. That''s one
reason I ditched Mandrake. It got boring. It wasn''t screwing up. I ran
out of things to try, short of getting a high-speed internet connection
so I could download tons of stuff. I also got tired of having the
feeling that I wasn''t putting my computer to full use. I wanted to
expand. My brain needed some lebensraum, something new to try.
So a few days ago I took the dive and reformatted / repartitioned my
drive to run Debian. Didn''t have to wipe it like I did, but I wanted to
so I could reorganize after having gotten rid of that other OS so many
months ago. It was an exercise in thought as well as irritation, I''ll
admit. Installing Linux can be hard if you make it hard like I do. I
demand to install individual packages so I know what''s there and I know
that only what I [think I] want or need is there. By the same token, the
average user will probably see Mandrake''s installer screen, see
"Graphical Desktop", "Network Server", and maybe "Game Station" and click
those options and think "gee, this is swell" as it installs the most
commonly used X Windows applications and windowmanagers like KDE, Gnome,
and maybe Fluxbox or WindowMaker along with some form of Apache web
server and some games like Tuxracer and some card games. All behind the
scenes, all unbeknownst to the average joe who is installing it.
The average joe doesn''t even have to know what a hard disk is, to install
Mandrake. Debian requires a little more of a brain, though.
So, as I consider how long I''ve been typing this reply, and how
incoherent it might seem (as I''ve gone through and added to it as new
thoughts came to me, and I''ve certainly forgotten to add key points I
wanted to make (I''m tired, leave me alone) ), I can sum it all up with a
few key points. Whether or not Linux is ready for the average joe
depends upon:
* What you call average.
* What he wants to do with his computer. Specifically.
(i.e., activities)
* What he needs to get from his computer to "use" it.
(i.e., how it helps him; what benefits he receives)
* What distribution we are talking about.
(or, are we going to use whatever works best for A.J.?)
* If something happens to not be perfect,
* Will he try to fix it himself?
* Will he want a wizard to do it for him?
* Whether or not he is willing to accept Google as a reference tool
* Ditto Usenet
* Ditto mailing lists / list archives
* What kind of software installation he can live with
(most of the popular distros use some form of installer tool.
Debian has apt-get / dpkg, Red Hat & Mandrake have RPM, etc.
Some software simply has no package form as they''re not
popular enough to warrant the work that would go into it,
so can our buddy A.J. learn to "./configure, make, make
install"?)
IMHO, Linux is ready. It was ready a few years ago when I first picked
up a copy of Mandrake 8.1 from the local Wal-Mart. Best purchase I ever
made, next to my Dodge Daytona. Some hardware has limited support, so
you do have to be careful. This is the price you pay when you''re
competing against only the world''s largest software conglomerate that
tries to set its own "standards". Of course, he with the money has the
power to put his OS on computers sold by Dell, Compaq, and
Hewlitt-Packard, to name just a few, making it the most recognized name
in computer OSes, and therefore being the most likely OS for people to
get software for, and therefore the most likely OS for hardware
manufacturers to write drivers for. Plus, unlike ATI and nVidia and
Matrox, many hardware manufacturers think that by writing drivers for
their hardware, they have to give away all their money making secrets and
codes. Of course, they *DON''T* have to, as nVidia has shown. A quality
product will still earn money regardless, so maybe the other
manufacturers are just scared that they can''t live up to quality enough
to make money without MS. I don''t know, I don''t care.
I use Windows for one thing at home. Need for Speed 4: High Stakes,
Need for Speed 5: Porsche Unleased, Descent3: Mercenary, Delta Force,
and Viper Racing.
The one bad thing about linux is the game support. Most of the working
games I have played on linux look like the old DOS games that I ran on my
486-DX4/133 back in 1996. The others were simply too damned slow with
that OpenGL or Mesa, which were slow in windows, too (but not as slow).
DirectX in Windows seems fast enough, why doesn''t Linux have something
along those lines? Or does it, that''s not being implemented by coders?
I see so many games that look like they have kick-ass graphics, but they
require this GL crap that doesn''t run worth a flying squirrel''s tail on
my system. I was able to play Descent3 on this AMD K6-2/300 in Windows
running DirectX, but not very well on my Pentium-III 700 in Windows
running OpenGL. I have yet to find a game remotely as elaborate as
Descent3 that I can play in Linux. Tuxracer is the closest. XRacer, the
Wipeout lookalike, is completely unplayable even on my P-III laptop.
Now, I''ve noticed Debian has ***MUCH*** better use of memory than
Mandrake did. Mandrake regularly ran me half out of RAM and swap,
whereas I have /yet/ to see Debian hit one quarter usage on either.
Maybe it will run my games better.
I''ve installed a few. I''ll try them out.
Aside from games, though, Linux has done everything I ask of it and then
some. It is certainly ready. I use it for NAT/Masquerade, firewalling,
office productivity, web browsing, Usenet, e-mail, watching TV on my
ATI A-I-W Pro, listening to MP3s, blah blah blah it does it all. I''ve
got my instant messaging, which I can get apps for everything from Unix
Talk to AIM to ICQ to Yahoo! to MSN to Jabber to even VoIP applications
like GnomeMeeting -- the Netmeeting compatible program, along with
several others whose names I do not recall (hit google, I''m tired).
There are applications for turning your computer into a PBX switchboard,
a voicemail machine, and even an automated menu-based phone program
thingy. I forget what they called it. Can even do fax on demand, IIRC.
As I was installing packages today, I ran across what must have been two
or three DOZEN ham radio related applications, applications for tracking
projects, applications for
damn, just about everything INCLUDING games (if only I could figure out
how to get DOOM or QUAKE to use the WAD files I got...) (some other
time)
Is Linux ready for A.J.? You tell me. I''ve been typin for an hour and
it''s bedtime.
HIH
CJ
Simon wrote:
I''m doing a survey.
When do you think GNU/Linux will be ready for the average Joe? What
obstacles must it overcome first?
It may never be ready for Joe.
But it is already in use by Juan, Chang and Rajiv
Joe has fallen way behind on the technology curve because of Microsoft
Protectionism ( read: Protection of Ballmer''
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