Python太复杂了？！？！？！ [英] Python too complex ?!?!?!

问题描述

与CS教练进行了令人不安的对话，

在当地的高中和社区教授

大学。这个人是一个长期的Linux / C / Python
程序员，但他声称C＃的安装，配置和

库模型已证明不那么

比Python有问题。所以他的课程（介绍，

数据结构，算法）都是用C＃教授的。


我是一个低端（3年级）熟练工Pythonista ，我和

被这种语言所吸引，因为它的简单性是b
。我来享受丰富的

可用的图书馆。


这个NG的许多优秀人才可能太近了。 />
回答，但有Python，作为一般的开发平台，

失去了它的简单性？库安装是否过于复杂

且不可靠？我的狗会去天堂吗？

Had a unsettling conversation with a CS instructor that
teaches at local high schools and the community
college. This person is a long-term Linux/C/Python
programmer, but he claims that the install, config, and
library models for C# have proved to be less
problematic than Python. So both his courses (intro,
data structs, algorithms) are taught in C#.

I am a low-end (3-year) journeyman Pythonista, and I
was attracted to the language because of its
simplicity. And I have come to enjoy the richness of
available libraries.

Many of the good people of this NG may be ''too close''
to answer, but has Python, as a general devel platform,
lost its simplicity ? Is library install too complex
and unreliable ? Will my dog go to heaven ?

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11月17日下午1:46，Brian< not_here@no_where.com写道：

On Nov 17, 1:46 pm, Brian <not_here@no_where.comwrote:

与CS教练进行了令人不安的对话，

在当地的高中和社区教授

大学。这个人是一个长期的Linux / C / Python
程序员，但他声称C＃的安装，配置和

库模型已证明不那么

比Python有问题。所以他的课程（介绍，

数据结构，算法）都是用C＃教授的。


我是一个低端（3年级）熟练工Pythonista ，我和

被这种语言所吸引，因为它的简单性是b
。我来享受丰富的

可用的图书馆。


这个NG的许多优秀人才可能太近了。 />
回答，但有Python，作为一般的开发平台，

失去了它的简单性？库安装是否过于复杂

且不可靠？我的狗会去天堂吗？

Had a unsettling conversation with a CS instructor that
teaches at local high schools and the community
college. This person is a long-term Linux/C/Python
programmer, but he claims that the install, config, and
library models for C# have proved to be less
problematic than Python. So both his courses (intro,
data structs, algorithms) are taught in C#.

I am a low-end (3-year) journeyman Pythonista, and I
was attracted to the language because of its
simplicity. And I have come to enjoy the richness of
available libraries.

Many of the good people of this NG may be ''too close''
to answer, but has Python, as a general devel platform,
lost its simplicity ? Is library install too complex
and unreliable ? Will my dog go to heaven ?

有关他的具体问题的更多信息会很高兴。我，我

找到Activestates和官方Python wiundows安装程序

只是工作。


- Paddy。

It would be nice to have more info on his specific problems. Me, I
find both Activestates and the official Python wiundows installers
just work.

- Paddy.

11月17日上午7:46，Brian< not_here@no_where.com写道：

On Nov 17, 7:46 am, Brian <not_here@no_where.comwrote:

这个人很长-ch Linux / C / Python

程序员，但他声称C＃的安装，配置和

库模型已证明更少

比Python有问题。

This person is a long-term Linux/C/Python
programmer, but he claims that the install, config, and
library models for C# have proved to be less
problematic than Python.

如果他的学生在Windows上安装Python时遇到问题，请告诉他

这个。

http://tinyurl.com/w7wgp


它可以'变得更容易了。


rd

If his students have problems installing Python on Windows, show him
this.

http://tinyurl.com/w7wgp

It can''t get any easier.

rd

我不知道你的狗:)但是Python libs并不是太苛刻。从包含管理程序的Gnu / Linux pov开始，事情非常简单。


我希望找到一种方法让它更容易，因为打包

模块并不总是最新的。


如果奶酪店可以提供模块下载，我们可以坚持使用

gui接口包装import语句以指导安装

任何丢失的包 - 这将是进展。


如果你在线并且应用程序运行，它可以检查新鲜度。您的

模块（从应用程序和递归中调用的模块）并提供获取

最新稳定版本。


gui是一个问题。是一个传统知识还是依赖于某些后备系统

gnome / kde / x11 / windows对话框（在命令行中通过

raw_input结束实际失败） ）？或者（也许）让它获取一个标准的

对话库，它可以获取和安装未来需要的b / b
场合。


无论如何，这是一个劫持，我没有以任何方式触及C＃，但

我不认为Python有什么值得羞耻的。*


/ d


*好吧，也许装饰师，但那只是因为我太厚了不能理解

他们：D

I dunno about your dog :) but Python libs are not too demanding. From a
Gnu/Linux pov with package managers things are quite simple.

My wish is to find a way to make that even easier because the packaged
modules are not always up to date.

If the Cheese Shop could supply downloads of modules and we could stick on a
gui interface that wraps around import statements to guide the installation
of any missing packages -- that would be progress.

If you are online and the app runs, it can check the "freshness" of your
modules (those called from the app and recursively) and offer to fetch the
latest stable versions.

The gui is an issue. Does one TK or rely on some fall-back system of
gnome/kde/x11/windows dialogue boxes (ending in abject failure by way of
raw_input on the command line)? Or (perhaps) have it fetch a standard
dialogue library which would fetch and install what is needed for future
occasions.

Anyway, this is a bit of a hijack and I have not touched C# in any way, but
I don''t think Python has anything to be ashamed of.*

/d

* Okay, maybe decorators but that''s just because I am far too thick to grok
them :D

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