ASP.NET用户界面现在基本上已经死了吗？ [英] Are ASP.NET user interfaces essentially dead now?

问题描述

VS 2005我有：

ClickOnce部署

用户'讨厌和/或不想使用IE客户端（不要怪）他们）


我不知道ASPX网页将如何生存？使用.NET 2.0和

clickonce部署我的应用程序是427KB（即使调制解调器拨号速度很快

下载也不需要很长时间） - 用户得到一个非常好的友好的安全

WindowsForm应用程序（他们中的大多数人甚至都没有注意到他们不在IE

之下），其执行速度比任何ASP.NET应用程序快得多。


我看到的路线图：

IE客户端 - 回到静态只是打开的clickonce链接

WindowsForms应用程序

Vista - 内置.NET 2.0（无需下载）

WebServices - 从WindowsForms应用程序调用（保持安全和

防火墙友好）

WindowsForms是一个更安全的地狱（没有IE连接的activex

组件，没有数据挖掘者，点击显示器等等）。 />

我看到它的方式 - 用户交互将转回WindowsForms

，因为根据定义IE客户端不是用户友好的，不是程序员

友好，并且在安全方面还有很多其他问题

以及性能和灵活性。


别误会我的意思，网络开发仍然存在（Web服务和基本的静态内容），但我相信任何使用网络的人都会使用网络进行严肃的业务应用程序转移到这种方法 - 它确实是赢得胜利。

VS 2005 I have:
ClickOnce deployment
User''s that hate and or don''t want to use an IE Client (don''t blame them)

I don''t see how ASPX web pages are going to survive? With .NET 2.0 and
clickonce deployment my app is 427KB (even with modem dialup speed it
doesn''t take long to download) -- the user gets a very friendly secure
WindowsForm app (most of them don''t even notice they''re not under IE
anymore) that performs considerably faster than any ASP.NET app.

The road map as I see it:
IE client -- back to static just clickonce links that open up
WindowsForms apps
Vista -- .NET 2.0 built in (no need to download)
WebServices -- called from WindowsForms apps (keeps it secure and
firewall friendly)
WindowsForms are a HELL of a lot more secure (no IE attached activex
components, no data miners, click monitors, etc. etc.)

The way I see it -- user interaction is going to move back to WindowsForms
since the IE client by definition is just NOT user friendly, NOT programmer
friendly, and has a ton of other issues surrounding it in terms of security
and performance and flexibility.

Don''t get me wrong, web development will still exist (web services and basic
static content), but I believe anyone doing serious business applications
using the web will migrate to this approach -- it really is a win win.

推荐答案

那么Linux和Mac以及其他平台呢？假设所有访问ASPX页面的人都只是Windows用户，这是傲慢的。


所有技术都有它的位置。


不确定你的意思IE客户端的定义不是用户友好的。

浏览器与网站是否友好无关。现在

作为一个网站确实限制了它的潜力，因为它只能流式传输HTML和其他浏览器技术，但是如果你正确编程，那么它的工作正常。

我见过一些富有的客户会让Frank Lloyd Wright在他的

坟墓中旋转。

Rob R. Ainscough < RO ***** @ pacbell.net>在消息中写道

新闻：％2 *************** @ TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl ...

And what about Linux and Mac and other platforms. It is arrogant to assume
that all people visiting ASPX pages are only Windows users.

All technology has its place.

Not sure what you mean by "IE client by definition is not user friendly".
The browser has nothing to do with whether a site is friendly or not. Now
being a website does limit its potential since it can only stream HTML and
other browser technology, but if you program it right, then it works fine.
I have seen some rich clients that would make Frank Lloyd Wright spin in his
grave.
"Rob R. Ainscough" <ro*****@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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VS 2005 I有：ClickOnce部署
用户'讨厌和/或不想使用IE客户端（不要责怪他们）

我不知道ASPX网页将如何生存？使用.NET 2.0和
clickonce部署我的应用程序是427KB（即使使用调制解调器拨号速度，它也不需要很长时间才能下载） - 用户获得一个非常友好的安全
WindowsForm应用程序（他们中的大多数人甚至都没有注意到他们不再在IE
之下）比任何ASP.NET应用程序都要快得多。

我看到的路线图：
IE客户端 - 回到静态只是clickonce链接打开
WindowsForms应用程序
Vista - 内置.NET 2.0（无需下载）
WebServices - 调用来自WindowsForms应用程序（保持其安全性和防火墙友好性）
WindowsForms是一个更安全的地方（没有IE连接的activex
组件，没有数据挖掘器，点击监视器等等）

我看到它的方式 - 用户交互将回到WindowsForms
因为根据定义IE客户端不是用户友好的，不是程序员友好的，并且有关于它的大量其他问题
不要误会我的意思，Web开发仍然存在（Web服务和基本的静态内容），但我相信任何人都在做严肃的事情
使用网络的应用程序将迁移到这种方法 - 它真的是一个赢得胜利。

VS 2005 I have:
ClickOnce deployment
User''s that hate and or don''t want to use an IE Client (don''t blame
them)

I don''t see how ASPX web pages are going to survive? With .NET 2.0 and
clickonce deployment my app is 427KB (even with modem dialup speed it
doesn''t take long to download) -- the user gets a very friendly secure
WindowsForm app (most of them don''t even notice they''re not under IE
anymore) that performs considerably faster than any ASP.NET app.

The road map as I see it:
IE client -- back to static just clickonce links that open up
WindowsForms apps
Vista -- .NET 2.0 built in (no need to download)
WebServices -- called from WindowsForms apps (keeps it secure and
firewall friendly)
WindowsForms are a HELL of a lot more secure (no IE attached activex
components, no data miners, click monitors, etc. etc.)

The way I see it -- user interaction is going to move back to WindowsForms
since the IE client by definition is just NOT user friendly, NOT
programmer friendly, and has a ton of other issues surrounding it in terms
of security and performance and flexibility.

Don''t get me wrong, web development will still exist (web services and
basic static content), but I believe anyone doing serious business
applications using the web will migrate to this approach -- it really is a
win win.

多数民众赞成MS的希望。有几个问题


1）没有MS o / s附带.net安装。它目前是一个插件（22mb

下载）

2）点击一次是一种很好的方式来处理病毒（因为代码没有运行在

sandbox），MS没有处理作者验证问题。

3）需要ms o / s（苹果仍然是> 6％的份额）

4）许多公司防火墙将阻止点击一次（甚至可能是智能客户端）

5）点击一次仅IE支持（<90％份额）。

6）更多个人设备使用浏览器


这些问题，以及ajax再次流行，浏览器应用程序将会暂时支持
。


- 布鲁斯（sqlwork.com）

" Rob R. Ainscough" < RO ***** @ pacbell.net>在消息中写道

新闻：％2 *************** @ TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl ...

thats MS''s hope. there are a couple issues

1) no MS o/s comes with .net installed. its currently an addon (22mb
download)
2) click once is a great way to spead viruses (as the code does not run in a
sandbox), and MS has not tackled the author validation issues.
3) requires ms o/s (apple is still > 6% share)
4) many company firewalls will block click once (maybe even smart clients)
5) click once only supported by IE (<90% share).
6) more personal devices with browsers

with these issues, and ajax getting popular again, browser apps will be
around for a while.

-- bruce (sqlwork.com)
"Rob R. Ainscough" <ro*****@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:%2***************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

VS 2005 I有：ClickOnce部署
用户'讨厌和/或不想使用IE客户端（不要责怪他们）

我不知道ASPX网页将如何生存？使用.NET 2.0和
clickonce部署我的应用程序是427KB（即使使用调制解调器拨号速度，它也不需要很长时间才能下载） - 用户获得一个非常友好的安全
WindowsForm应用程序（他们中的大多数人甚至都没有注意到他们不再在IE
之下）比任何ASP.NET应用程序都要快得多。

我看到的路线图：
IE客户端 - 回到静态只是clickonce链接打开
WindowsForms应用程序
Vista - 内置.NET 2.0（无需下载）
WebServices - 调用来自WindowsForms应用程序（保持其安全性和防火墙友好性）
WindowsForms是一个更安全的地方（没有IE连接的activex
组件，没有数据挖掘器，点击监视器等等）

我看到它的方式 - 用户交互将回到WindowsForms
因为根据定义IE客户端不是用户友好的，不是程序员友好的，并且有关于它的大量其他问题
不要误会我的意思，Web开发仍然存在（Web服务和基本的静态内容），但我相信任何人都在做严肃的事情
使用网络的应用程序将迁移到这种方法 - 它真的是一个赢得胜利。

VS 2005 I have:
ClickOnce deployment
User''s that hate and or don''t want to use an IE Client (don''t blame
them)

I don''t see how ASPX web pages are going to survive? With .NET 2.0 and
clickonce deployment my app is 427KB (even with modem dialup speed it
doesn''t take long to download) -- the user gets a very friendly secure
WindowsForm app (most of them don''t even notice they''re not under IE
anymore) that performs considerably faster than any ASP.NET app.

The road map as I see it:
IE client -- back to static just clickonce links that open up
WindowsForms apps
Vista -- .NET 2.0 built in (no need to download)
WebServices -- called from WindowsForms apps (keeps it secure and
firewall friendly)
WindowsForms are a HELL of a lot more secure (no IE attached activex
components, no data miners, click monitors, etc. etc.)

The way I see it -- user interaction is going to move back to WindowsForms
since the IE client by definition is just NOT user friendly, NOT
programmer friendly, and has a ton of other issues surrounding it in terms
of security and performance and flexibility.

Don''t get me wrong, web development will still exist (web services and
basic static content), but I believe anyone doing serious business
applications using the web will migrate to this approach -- it really is a
win win.

但是，使用winforms要求客户端安装.NET框架

。在这一点上，这是一个很大的飞跃。


哪个ASP.NET应用程序可以在其他浏览器/平台上正常工作

适当的关注在开发人员看来，开发人员无法在没有安装.NET

框架的平台的情况下制作winforms

。


是的，虽然winforms中的应用程序是安全的，但可能是安全的
。如果沙箱太紧，应用程序可能无法例如将Web服务调用回Web服务器。现在用户有了b $ b来配置他们机器的安全性 - 一般用户会怎样？
知道如何做到这一点？


另一个问题是有人检查他们的电子邮件或来自售货亭的新闻。

这些机器被锁定得很紧 - 它们被打开的几率

足以运行你的winforms申请？我不知道。


我个人认为，在可预见的未来中，我认为winforms不是一个可行的网页开发选择。但那就是我，我可能会离开。


Rob R. Ainscough < RO ***** @ pacbell.net>在消息中写道

新闻：％2 *************** @ TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl ...

However, using winforms requires that the client has the .NET framework
installed. At this point that is a big leap to take.

Where as an ASP.NET app can work just fine on other browsers/platforms with
proper care by the developer, there is no way a developer can make winforms
work on a platform that does not have an implementation of the .NET
framework installed.

And yes, while the application in winforms will be secure, it may be to
secure. If the sandbox is too tight, the application may not be able to
make a web service call back to the web server for example. Now the user has
to go configure security on their machine - what average user is going to
know how to do that?

Another issue is someone checking their email or the news from a kiosk.
Those machines are locked down pretty tight - the odds of them being open
enough to run your winforms application? I don''t know.

Personally, I don''t see winforms as a viable option for web development for
the forseeable future. But that''s me, I could be way off.

"Rob R. Ainscough" <ro*****@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:%2***************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

VS 2005 I有：ClickOnce部署
用户'讨厌和/或不想使用IE客户端（不要责怪他们）

我不知道ASPX网页将如何生存？使用.NET 2.0和
clickonce部署我的应用程序是427KB（即使使用调制解调器拨号速度，它也不需要很长时间才能下载） - 用户获得一个非常友好的安全
WindowsForm应用程序（他们中的大多数人甚至都没有注意到他们不再在IE
之下）比任何ASP.NET应用程序都要快得多。

我看到的路线图：
IE客户端 - 回到静态只是clickonce链接打开
WindowsForms应用程序
Vista - 内置.NET 2.0（无需下载）
WebServices - 调用来自WindowsForms应用程序（保持其安全性和防火墙友好性）
WindowsForms是一个更安全的地方（没有IE连接的activex
组件，没有数据挖掘器，点击监视器等等）

我看到它的方式 - 用户交互将回到WindowsForms
因为根据定义IE客户端不是用户友好的，不是程序员友好的，并且有关于它的大量其他问题
不要误会我的意思，Web开发仍然存在（Web服务和基本的静态内容），但我相信任何人都在做严肃的事情
使用网络的应用程序将迁移到这种方法 - 它真的是一个赢得胜利。

VS 2005 I have:
ClickOnce deployment
User''s that hate and or don''t want to use an IE Client (don''t blame
them)

I don''t see how ASPX web pages are going to survive? With .NET 2.0 and
clickonce deployment my app is 427KB (even with modem dialup speed it
doesn''t take long to download) -- the user gets a very friendly secure
WindowsForm app (most of them don''t even notice they''re not under IE
anymore) that performs considerably faster than any ASP.NET app.

The road map as I see it:
IE client -- back to static just clickonce links that open up
WindowsForms apps
Vista -- .NET 2.0 built in (no need to download)
WebServices -- called from WindowsForms apps (keeps it secure and
firewall friendly)
WindowsForms are a HELL of a lot more secure (no IE attached activex
components, no data miners, click monitors, etc. etc.)

The way I see it -- user interaction is going to move back to WindowsForms
since the IE client by definition is just NOT user friendly, NOT
programmer friendly, and has a ton of other issues surrounding it in terms
of security and performance and flexibility.

Don''t get me wrong, web development will still exist (web services and
basic static content), but I believe anyone doing serious business
applications using the web will migrate to this approach -- it really is a
win win.

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