全是IBM [英] It's All IBM

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当你真正把它归结为......在过去60年的计算中......它实际上是IBM的b $ b。


我的意思是，我一直在读这本书黑客。它经历了所有

*地下*计算机动作和DEC，以及Altair，可能还有，如果我不想继续阅读，Apple等等。


但是你知道，正如我所看到的那样 - 基本上计算分为3个时代。


I）IBM Mainframe - 1950年至1980年


大型机在计算中对于那些30年b
年份非常重要。你可以把所有/黑客/和DEC和小型计算机和

冲下马桶，剩下的就是真正的计算。

商业和工业的计算真的/ comupterized /

美国。防御和模拟的计算。


其中99％是IBM大型机上的。

II）IBM PC - 1980年到2000年


世界上96％的人使用的PC的基本架构是由IBM开发的 - 而且这种架构至今仍在使用。


IBM PC在设计中占据第二位，并且在
计算中具有重要性。 Apple和Altair一样重要。在IBM推出了美国公司真正需要的机器之前，这是一个微不足道的实施方案。

III）IBM和Linux，2000-？ ??


哦，你注意到我把微软从这个短名单中删除了吗？那就是
，因为IBM早在20世纪60年代就计划推出一款具有多任务操作系统的PC。他们称之为智能终端，因为它可以卸载一些服务器处理。这就是大多数PC的价值，因为真正的处理是在服务器上完成的。至于微软

，我认为它们是一个短暂的时期 - 基本上允许PC

硬件成熟到UNIX - 一个reall操作系统 - 可以是允许在PC上运行的
。现在确实如此。

When you really boil it down...in the last 60 years of computing...it''s
really all been IBM.

I mean, I''ve been reading this book "Hackers" which goes through all the
*underground* computer movements and DEC, and Altair and probably if I
bother to keep reading, Apple and so on.

But you know, as I see it -- basically computing is divided into 3 epochs.

I) The IBM Mainframe - 1950 to 1980

The Mainframe was all that really mattered in computing for those 30
years. You could take all the /hacking/ and DEC and minicomputers and
flush them down the toilet and what would be left is the real computing.
The computing of commerce and industry that really /comupterized/
America. The computing of Defense and Simulation.

And 99 percent of that was on IBM mainframes.
II) The IBM PC - 1980 to 2000

The basic architecture of the PC that is used by 96 percent of the world
was developed by IBM -- and that architecture is still in use today.

The IBM PC is 2nd to the mainframe in design and importance in
computing. Apple is about as important as the Altair. A trivial
implementation, before IBM came up with the machine that Corporate
America really wanted.
III) IBM and Linux, 2000-???

Oh, did you notice that I left Microsoft off this short list? That is
because IBM was planning a PC with a multitasking OS as early as the
1960s. They called it basically a Smart Terminal because it could
offload some of the server processing. And that''s about what most PCs
do, because real processing is done on servers. As far as Microsoft
goes, I see them as a transitory period -- basically allowing PC
hardware to mature up to the point that UNIX -- a reall OS -- could be
allowed to run on PCs. And now it does.

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2004年7月6日星期二01:54:19 +0000，Arapahoe写道：

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 01:54:19 +0000, Arapahoe wrote:

当你真正把它归结为......在过去60年的计算中......它确实都是IBM。
<我的意思是，我一直在读这本书黑客。它经历了所有的
*地下*计算机动作和DEC，以及Altair，如果我懒得继续阅读，Apple等等。

但是你知道，我明白了 - 基本上计算分为3个时代。

I）IBM大型机 - 1950年到1980年

大型机在计算中真的很重要30
年。你可以把所有的/黑客/ DEC和小型计算机和它们冲下马桶，剩下的就是真正的计算。
真正/计算的商业和工业的计算/
美国。防御和模拟的计算。

其中99％是在IBM大型机上。

II）IBM PC - 1980年到2000年

世界上96％的人使用的PC的基本架构是由IBM开发的 - 而且这种架构至今仍在使用。

IBM PC在大型机中排名第二在设计和计算的重要性。 Apple和Altair一样重要。在IBM推出了美国公司真正想要的机器之前，这是一个微不足道的实现。

III）IBM和Linux，2000 - ???
硬件成熟到可以允许UNIX - 一个reall操作系统 - 在PC上运行。现在确实如此。

When you really boil it down...in the last 60 years of computing...it''s
really all been IBM.

I mean, I''ve been reading this book "Hackers" which goes through all the
*underground* computer movements and DEC, and Altair and probably if I
bother to keep reading, Apple and so on.

But you know, as I see it -- basically computing is divided into 3 epochs.

I) The IBM Mainframe - 1950 to 1980

The Mainframe was all that really mattered in computing for those 30
years. You could take all the /hacking/ and DEC and minicomputers and
flush them down the toilet and what would be left is the real computing.
The computing of commerce and industry that really /comupterized/
America. The computing of Defense and Simulation.

And 99 percent of that was on IBM mainframes.
II) The IBM PC - 1980 to 2000

The basic architecture of the PC that is used by 96 percent of the world
was developed by IBM -- and that architecture is still in use today.

The IBM PC is 2nd to the mainframe in design and importance in
computing. Apple is about as important as the Altair. A trivial
implementation, before IBM came up with the machine that Corporate
America really wanted.
III) IBM and Linux, 2000-???

Oh, did you notice that I left Microsoft off this short list? That is
because IBM was planning a PC with a multitasking OS as early as the
1960s. They called it basically a Smart Terminal because it could
offload some of the server processing. And that''s about what most PCs
do, because real processing is done on servers. As far as Microsoft
goes, I see them as a transitory period -- basically allowing PC
hardware to mature up to the point that UNIX -- a reall OS -- could be
allowed to run on PCs. And now it does.

" Hackers"是一本好书....


阅读一本名为Big Blues的书。学习其余的故事。


IBM是一个庞大的批量处理整体，使FUD达到极限。

了解IBM下降法令。

反托拉斯+ IBM是另一个好主题。


IBM从来没有做过最好的话题。计算机，DEC总是更好，但IBM有更多的钱。

很多钱。

DEC'被使用在交易处理方面，比如银行，而IBM则仍然是批量生产。



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Patricia Fitzhenry

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"Hackers" is a great book....

Read a book called "Big Blues" to learn the rest of the story.

IBM was a big, batch processing monolith that worked FUD to the limit.
Read about the IBM descent decree.
Anti-trust+IBM is another good topic.

IBM never made the "best" computers, DEC was always better, but IBM had
more money.
Lot''s more money.
DEC''s were used in transaction processing, like banks while IBM''s were
still all batch.


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Arapahoe写道：

Arapahoe wrote:

当你真正把它归结为......在过去60年的计算中......它真的都是IBM。

我的意思是，我已经一直在读这本书黑客它通过所有的地下*计算机动作和DEC，以及Altair和可能
如果我懒得继续阅读，Apple等等。

但是你知道，我明白了 - 基本上计算分为3个时代。

I）IBM大型机 - 1950年至1980年

主机是真正重要的那些30年的计算。你可以把所有/黑客/和DEC和小型计算机和它们冲下厕所，剩下的就是真正的计算机。商业和工业的计算真正/ / comupterized /美国。防御和模拟的计算。

其中99％是在IBM大型机上。

是的，因为他们是Monoply，就像微软一样，今天...... 。

他们将其他人赶出市场或差点。黑客攻击比b
具有与今天完全不同的含义。你知道

的区别吗？

II）IBM PC - 1980年至2000年

96使用的PC的基本架构这个世界的百分比是由IBM开发的 - 而且这个架构仍在使用中。

我没有MFM驱动器，或者我的任何ISA插槽除了CPU以外的计算机

使我的英特尔PC的架构大不相同。

IBM PC在设计和重要性方面排名第二
计算。 Apple和Altair一样重要。在IBM推出了美国公司真正想要的机器之前，这是一个微不足道的实现。

不，不是IBM，他们甚至不想真的想资助项目。苹果公司

和Altair在开始时比IBM发挥了更大的作用。在KIT计算机（Altair等）的时代，IBM开玩笑了，因为他们试图推销价格超高的套件电脑。 Apple是第一个引入计算机的人，你不需要自己组装。

我不会称之为微不足道的，如果有什么事情在IBM期间是微不足道的那个

的时间，至少是计算机Hobbests。

III）IBM和Linux，2000 - ???

哦，你注意到我了吗微软离开了这个短名单？那是因为IBM早在20世纪60年代就计划开发具有多任务操作系统的PC。他们称之为智能终端，因为它可以卸载一些服务器处理。这就是大多数PC所做的事情，因为真正的处理是在服务器上完成的。就微软来说，我认为它们是一个短暂的时期 - 基本上允许PC
硬件成熟到可以允许UNIX - 一个reall操作系统 - 在PC上运行。现在它确实如此。

When you really boil it down...in the last 60 years of
computing...it''s really all been IBM.

I mean, I''ve been reading this book "Hackers" which goes through all
the *underground* computer movements and DEC, and Altair and probably
if I bother to keep reading, Apple and so on.

But you know, as I see it -- basically computing is divided into 3
epochs.

I) The IBM Mainframe - 1950 to 1980

The Mainframe was all that really mattered in computing for those 30
years. You could take all the /hacking/ and DEC and minicomputers and
flush them down the toilet and what would be left is the real
computing. The computing of commerce and industry that really
/comupterized/ America. The computing of Defense and Simulation.

And 99 percent of that was on IBM mainframes.
True, because they were a Monoply, just like Microsoft, is today....
They drove the others out of the market or nearly. Hacking back in than
had a vastly different meaning than it does today. Do you know the
difference?

II) The IBM PC - 1980 to 2000

The basic architecture of the PC that is used by 96 percent of the
world was developed by IBM -- and that architecture is still in use
today.
I don''t have MFM drives, or any ISA slots in my computer other than the CPU
made my Intel the architecture of the ''PC'' is vastly different.
The IBM PC is 2nd to the mainframe in design and importance in
computing. Apple is about as important as the Altair. A trivial
implementation, before IBM came up with the machine that Corporate
America really wanted.
No, not to IBM, they didn''t even really want to fund the project. Apple
and Altair played a much bigger roll at the beginning than IBM. During the
age of KIT computers (Altair and alike) IBM was a joke, since they tried to
market a OVER priced kit computer, which flopped big time. Apple was the
FIRST to introduce a computer that YOU didn''t have to assembly yourself.
I wouldn''t call either trivial, if anything IBM was trivial during that
time, at least computer Hobbests.

III) IBM and Linux, 2000-???

Oh, did you notice that I left Microsoft off this short list? That is
because IBM was planning a PC with a multitasking OS as early as the
1960s. They called it basically a Smart Terminal because it could
offload some of the server processing. And that''s about what most PCs
do, because real processing is done on servers. As far as Microsoft
goes, I see them as a transitory period -- basically allowing PC
hardware to mature up to the point that UNIX -- a reall OS -- could be
allowed to run on PCs. And now it does.

你可能不喜欢，但是微软已经在制造这款PC的过程中发挥了重要作用，但是我会说康柏做得更多。 Linux仍然沿着桌面领域的方式运行，但他们在后台做得很好

（服务器）。

甚至Windows NT和DOS是真正的操作系统，你可以根据你的定义将Win3.11称为真正的操作系统

，你甚至知道操作系统的真正功能吗？

我猜UNIX在PC上不存在？即便是微软，很久以前就把Xenix（Unix）卖给了很多美元....（1983年左右）PC已经运行UNIX超过20美元现在已经超过了b $ b。 ..

You may not like but Microsoft has played a big roll in making the PC
affordable, but I would say Compaq did even more. Linux still have along
way to go in the desktop realm, but they are doing good in the backoffice
(servers).
Even Windows NT and DOS are real OSs and you could call Win3.11 a real OS
depending on your definition, do you even know what an OS really does?
I guess UNIX on the PC doesn''t exist? Even Microsoft, sold Xenix (Unix) a
long long time ago.... (1983 or so) PC have been running UNIX for over 20
years now....

Patricia写道：

Patricia wrote:

IBM是一个庞大的批量处理整体，使FUD达到极限。
了解IBM下降法令。
反托拉斯+ IBM是另一个好主题。

IBM was a big, batch processing monolith that worked FUD to the limit.
Read about the IBM descent decree.
Anti-trust+IBM is another good topic.

嗯，我不会这么说。


例如，CICS是世界上使用最多的计算机接口。你通常在银行，医院等看到的绿色屏幕是




CICS是MVS，AIX，TSO的接口，VM等等 - 真正运行这个世界的操作系统。


这里还有别的东西 - CICS是/无状态/ - - 就像......是的，你猜到了

it，http。所以CICS会话就像一个Web浏览会话。只有，

IBM在大约二十年内击败了网络：D


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无知的人穿着学院服装对美国来说比油更危险

禁运。 V. S. Naipaul

Well, I wouldn''t say that.

For example, CICS is the most used computer interface in the world. It is
the ''green'' screen that you typically see in banks, hospitals, etc.

CICS is the interface to MVS, AIX, TSO, VM and so on -- the operating
systems that really run the world.

Here''s something else -- CICS is /stateless/ -- as in ... yep, you guessed
it, http. So a CICS session, is just like a Web browsing session. Only,
IBM beat out the web by, oh, about two decades :D

--
"Ignorant people in preppy clothes are more dangerous to America than oil
embargoes." V. S. Naipaul

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