Phyton建议 [英] Had Phyton suggested

问题描述

嗨


我的儿子喜欢很多年轻人一直在电脑周围，快速在线游戏，他为学习阅读和写作的主要部分提供了b
第二语言

英语，我可以说他15岁时很擅长，但是有些人知道，3D游戏也提供了edditors和脚本选项，或者相反

在场景中编程直升机和尘埃云。

现在除了我的英语不好，我的问题是，我喜欢他学习体面

编程-------当然我知道最好的学习方法是查看源代码

代码并在这里或那里改变一下以获得实际结果，但是用他的

关于编程的知识他可能无法理解函数是如何工作的，即使他在操作falshpoint

抵抗的场景中也做了一些非常好的效果。 ，我只知道他会从学习中获益，

a真正的编程语言。

现在从一位老朋友那里我被告知Phyton，我知道了一点关于

编程（Lisp），检查了几个链接之后我感到痛苦;猜猜Phyton非常喜欢C ++，所以投资他感兴趣的编程场景可能是他喜欢的。

现在我agrea我自己关于编译器的知识和更高级的编程是有限的，我担心的是我需要某种C.

编译器导致日期和设置好几周的麻烦-------或者小组认为是什么？我的问题是，如果今天有编译器设置好了b $ b up并且工作就像第一个Pascal编译器一样简单。

好​​吧，我认为我自己的编程麻烦，从来没有真正的编程，但所有的silli麻烦与编译器，因为你的设置

不关心程序是否花费更多的记忆，只要因为它工作和

acturly产生编译的代码。

猜猜我的问题是，如果有可能找到适合的编译器

amatures，一个amature，在它准备好使用之前不需要战斗。在你学习编程之前，在你学习编程之前，不需要成为一个

编译器专家。


PC

Hi

My son like many youngsters been around computers, fast online games, he
acturly for main part learned to read and write ,beside his second language
english , and may I say he is quite good at it age 15 , but as some of you
know, 3D games also offer edditors and script options , or rather
programming choppers and dust clouds in scenes.
Now beside my bad english, my problem is, that I like him to learn decent
programming ------- sure I know the best way to learn is looking at source
code and change a bit here or there to se the actural results, but with his
knowleage about programming he proberly fail to se how functions work and
even he made some quite nice effects in the scenes in "Operation falshpoint
resistance" , I just know that he would profit from learning from buttom up,
a real programming language.
Now from an old friend I been advised Phyton, and as I know a bit about
programming ( Lisp ) , I agrea after checking a few links ; guess Phyton is
very much C++ like ,so investing in his interests programming scenes for
games, could be in his faviour .
Now I agrea that my own knowleage about compilers and more advanced
programming are limited, and my fear is that I will need some sort of C.
compiler causing day''s and weeks of trouble setting up ------- or what do
the group think ; my question is, if there today are compilers that is set
up and work as simple as for instance the first Pascal compilers .
Well I agrea that my own trouble programming, never been the actural
programming, but all the silli trouble with compilers, as you se amatures
don''t care if the program spend a bit more memmory ,as long as it work and
acturly produce compiled code.
Guess my question is, if it is possible to find a compiler that is fit for
amatures, one that an amature will not have to fight before it is ready to
use. One where you ,as when I learned programming , don''t need to be a
compiler specialist before you even learn programming.

P.C.

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Hi

"P.C." <pe********@privat.dk> skrev i en meddelelse
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您好

对不起Python不是Phyton。

请不要只是错误地回答错误拼写。


PC
http://home20.inet.tele.dk/h-3d/

PC写道：

嗨

我的儿子喜欢很多年轻人一直在电脑周围，快速的网络游戏，他的主要部分学习阅读和写作，他的第二个旁边语言
英语，我可以说他15岁时很擅长，但有些人知道，3D游戏还提供了edditors和脚本选项，或者更确切地说是编程菜刀和灰尘场景中的云彩。
现在我的英语不好，我的问题是，我喜欢他学习正常的编程-------我知道最好的学习方法是看源头
代码并在这里或那里改变一下以获得实际结果，但是凭借他对编程的了解，他无法理解函数是如何工作的，甚至他在场景中做了一些非常好的效果在操作falshpoint
抵抗中，我只知道他会从学习中获益，这是一种真正的编程语言。
现在我从一位老朋友那里得到了Phyton的建议，并且我对编程有一点了解（ Lisp），检查了几个链接后我感到痛苦;猜Phyton非常喜欢C ++，所以投资他的兴趣编程场景可能是他喜欢的。
现在我认为我自己对编译器的了解和更高级的知识编程是有限的，我担心的是我需要某种C.
编译器导致一天和几周的麻烦设置-------或者是什么
小组认为;我的问题是，如果今天有编译器设置
并且工作就像第一个Pascal编译器一样简单。
好吧，我认为我自己的编程麻烦，从来没有实际的
编程，但所有的silli麻烦与编译器，因为你的设置
不关心程序是否花费更多的memmory，只要它工作和
acturly生成编译代码。
猜猜我的问题是，如果有可能找到适合
amatures的编译器，那么amature就不会在它准备好使用之前就打架了。在你学习编程之前，你甚至不需要成为编程专家才能学习编程。

PC

Hi

My son like many youngsters been around computers, fast online games, he
acturly for main part learned to read and write ,beside his second language
english , and may I say he is quite good at it age 15 , but as some of you
know, 3D games also offer edditors and script options , or rather
programming choppers and dust clouds in scenes.
Now beside my bad english, my problem is, that I like him to learn decent
programming ------- sure I know the best way to learn is looking at source
code and change a bit here or there to se the actural results, but with his
knowleage about programming he proberly fail to se how functions work and
even he made some quite nice effects in the scenes in "Operation falshpoint
resistance" , I just know that he would profit from learning from buttom up,
a real programming language.
Now from an old friend I been advised Phyton, and as I know a bit about
programming ( Lisp ) , I agrea after checking a few links ; guess Phyton is
very much C++ like ,so investing in his interests programming scenes for
games, could be in his faviour .
Now I agrea that my own knowleage about compilers and more advanced
programming are limited, and my fear is that I will need some sort of C.
compiler causing day''s and weeks of trouble setting up ------- or what do
the group think ; my question is, if there today are compilers that is set
up and work as simple as for instance the first Pascal compilers .
Well I agrea that my own trouble programming, never been the actural
programming, but all the silli trouble with compilers, as you se amatures
don''t care if the program spend a bit more memmory ,as long as it work and
acturly produce compiled code.
Guess my question is, if it is possible to find a compiler that is fit for
amatures, one that an amature will not have to fight before it is ready to
use. One where you ,as when I learned programming , don''t need to be a
compiler specialist before you even learn programming.

P.C.

Python是一种解释型语言，而不是编译语言。所以你根本不需要

来担心编译器。这使得比编译语言更容易获得
。对于对编程一无所知的人来说，我瘦的python是一个非常好的介绍

。


冒着让很多蟒蛇粉丝生气的风险，我会还建议你看看java的
。这是一种编译语言（虽然具有讽刺意味的是，编译后的字节码被解释为
）。我建议这样做有几个原因：

*当编写java时，你无法真正避免以面向对象的方式思考。我怀疑python会让你开发一些非常好的习惯。

* java教程非常庞大，并且有很多例子。

*我没有看到像BlueJ for python这样的东西。 BlueJ是一个优秀的

初学者IDE，带有编辑器，调试器和类似UML的图表，显示你的类如何互连。


更好，学习两种语言。


Steve

Python is an interpreted language, not a compiled one. So you don''t need
to worry about compilers at all. This makes it a little easier to get
into than compiled languages. I thin python is a very good introduction
to someone who knows nothing about programming.

At the risk of making a lot of python fans angry, I would also suggest
that you look at java. This IS a compiled language (although ironically,
the compiled bytecode is interpreted). I suggest this for a few reasons:
* You cannot really avoid thinking in an object-oriented way when
writing java. I suspect that python will allow you to develop some very
nasyt habits.
* The java tutorial is massive, and has loads of examples.
* I have not seen anything like BlueJ for python. BlueJ is an excellent
beginners IDE with editor, debugger, and a UML-like diagram that shows
how your classes interconnect.

Better, learn a little of both languages.

Steve

Steve Horsley写道：

Steve Horsley wrote:

PC写道：

P.C. wrote:

嗨

我的儿子喜欢很多年轻人一直在电脑周围，快速的网络游戏，他主要为学习读写的主要部分，除了他的第二语言
英语，我可以说他十分擅长15岁，但是有些人知道，3D游戏也提供了edditors和script选择，或者更确切地说是在场景中编写直升机和尘埃云。
现在我的英语不好，我的问题是，我喜欢他学习体面的编程-------当然我知道最好的学习方法是查看源代码并在这里或那里稍微改变一下以获得实际结果，但是
知道关于编程他知道失败了解功能是如何工作的，甚至他在操作
falshpoint
阻力的场景中也做了一些非常好的效果。 ，我只知道他会从学习中获益，但是这是一种真正的编程语言。
现在我从一位老朋友那里得到了Phyton的建议，而且我知道一点关于 Phyton非常喜欢C ++，所以投资他的兴趣编程场景可能是他喜欢的。
现在我认为我自己的知识关于编译器和更高级的编程是有限的，我担心的是我需要某种C.
编译器导致一天和几周的麻烦设置-------或做什么<小组认为;我的问题是，如果今天有编译器设置
并且工作就像第一个Pascal编译器一样简单。
那么我认为我自己的编程麻烦，从来没有实际
编程，但是所有的silli麻烦都与编译器有关，因为你很熟悉
如果程序花费更多的memmory就不在乎，只要它工作
和
acturly产生编译的代码。
猜猜我的问题是，如果有可能找到一个适合
的amatures编译器，那个amature就不会在它之前就必须战斗了准备好使用了。在你学习编程之前，你甚至不需要成为编程专家才能学习编程。

PC

Hi

My son like many youngsters been around computers, fast online games, he
acturly for main part learned to read and write ,beside his second
language
english , and may I say he is quite good at it age 15 , but as some
of you
know, 3D games also offer edditors and script options , or rather
programming choppers and dust clouds in scenes.
Now beside my bad english, my problem is, that I like him to learn decent
programming ------- sure I know the best way to learn is looking at
source
code and change a bit here or there to se the actural results, but
with his
knowleage about programming he proberly fail to se how functions work and
even he made some quite nice effects in the scenes in "Operation
falshpoint
resistance" , I just know that he would profit from learning from
buttom up,
a real programming language.
Now from an old friend I been advised Phyton, and as I know a bit about
programming ( Lisp ) , I agrea after checking a few links ; guess
Phyton is
very much C++ like ,so investing in his interests programming scenes for
games, could be in his faviour .
Now I agrea that my own knowleage about compilers and more advanced
programming are limited, and my fear is that I will need some sort of C.
compiler causing day''s and weeks of trouble setting up ------- or what do
the group think ; my question is, if there today are compilers that is
set
up and work as simple as for instance the first Pascal compilers .
Well I agrea that my own trouble programming, never been the actural
programming, but all the silli trouble with compilers, as you se amatures
don''t care if the program spend a bit more memmory ,as long as it work
and
acturly produce compiled code.
Guess my question is, if it is possible to find a compiler that is fit
for
amatures, one that an amature will not have to fight before it is
ready to
use. One where you ,as when I learned programming , don''t need to be a
compiler specialist before you even learn programming.

P.C.

Python是一种解释型语言，而不是编译语言。所以你根本不需要担心编译器。这使得它比编译语言更容易。对于对编程一无所知的人来说，瘦的python是一个非常好的介绍。

冒着让很多蟒蛇粉丝生气的风险，我也建议你这样做看看java。这是一种编译语言（虽然具有讽刺意味的是，编译后的字节码被解释）。我建议这样做有几个原因：
*当你编写java时，你不能真正避免以面向对象的方式思考。我怀疑python会让你养成一些非常习惯的习惯。
* java教程非常庞大，并且有很多例子。
*我还没有看到像BlueJ这样的python。 BlueJ是一个出色的
初学者IDE，带有编辑器，调试器和类似UML的图表，显示了你的类如何互连。

更好，学习两种语言。<史蒂夫

Python is an interpreted language, not a compiled one. So you don''t need
to worry about compilers at all. This makes it a little easier to get
into than compiled languages. I thin python is a very good introduction
to someone who knows nothing about programming.

At the risk of making a lot of python fans angry, I would also suggest
that you look at java. This IS a compiled language (although ironically,
the compiled bytecode is interpreted). I suggest this for a few reasons:
* You cannot really avoid thinking in an object-oriented way when
writing java. I suspect that python will allow you to develop some very
nasyt habits.
* The java tutorial is massive, and has loads of examples.
* I have not seen anything like BlueJ for python. BlueJ is an excellent
beginners IDE with editor, debugger, and a UML-like diagram that shows
how your classes interconnect.

Better, learn a little of both languages.

Steve

生气，没有。但我不认为你的建议很合理。首先，Python

" compiles"字节码与Java的方式非常相似。如果Java做任何不同的事情，那就是它可以使用JIT编译器来加速字节码的执行。其次，我不同意Python将会使某人发展为坏习惯。使用面向对象的编程并不是最终解决所有世界问题的问题。 Java强迫你进入这个模型

，Python不是。如果有的话，我认为Java对

世界的看法是有缺陷的 - 有时对象不是编程问题的答案。\\ b
问题。对于初学者来说，不得不在对象中进行所有思考，在我看来，学习基础知识会更加困难。最后，Python有很多很好的编辑器（如果不是很好的话）。推动一个包含

的编辑器作为UML对于初学者而言并不是非常高效，而且可以认为它对于高级程序员来说甚至都不是很有用（如果你的

类层次结构很复杂，你需要（实时）UML，你可能有一个太复杂的设计

。）我同意你最后的观点，学习

许多语言，Python，Java，C / C ++等，看看哪一个符合你需要的最优惠价格。


-D

Angry, no. But I don''t think your advice is very sound. First, Python
"compiles" to bytecodes much the way Java does. If Java does anything
different, it is that it can employ a JIT compiler to speed up the
execution of the bytecodes. Second, I disagree that Python will make
someone develop "bad habits". Using object oriented programming is not
the end-all to all the world''s problems. Java forces you into this model
at all times, Python doesn''t. If anything, I think Java''s view of the
world is flawed - sometimes objects aren''t the answer to a programming
problem. For a beginner, having to do all your thinking in objects makes
learning the basics harder, in my view. Last, there are plenty of good
(if not great) editors for Python. Pushing an editor that includes
things as UML is not really very productive for a beginner, and it could
be argued it not even very useful for advanced programmers (if your
class hierarchy is s complex that you need (live) UML, you probably have
too complex of a design.) I do agree with your last sentiment, learn
lots of languages, Python, Java, C/C++, etc. and see which one(s) meets
your needs best.

-D

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