你工作的地方怎么做？ [英] How are things done where you work?

问题描述

我想知道你在哪里管理和工作环境

工作。我需要一些相对于我当前工作环境的东西。

这里有几个问题：


1.）（技术）是否正常管理（实际上是2个共同所有者中的1个）

不断地打开开发人员的一整天问题，例如：

我们可以看看这个，

我发现了这个，我们现在可以试试吗，

我们能看到这些人在做什么吗？，

"我们可以改变吗？这个的颜色现在只是

等等？


2.）开发人员在所有小项目上反弹都是正常的/>
day或坚持一两个大型项目并与他们的团队合作？


我们不使用任何类型的源代码控制，管理层不会购买新软件，在我们的开发中没有标准我们的b / c管理不会对它们产生影响，我们

从计划开始拍摄，开发人员并不赞成''什么是

努力。显然我正在寻找另一份工作，但我想确保我的期望值不高。我相信我目前的工作环境是一场灾难性的b $ b b灾难。我没想到，当我加入时，虽然我已经有所改进，但我觉得现在这个地方只会降低我的技能。我希望得到奖励，而且还需要有很多经验的开发人员，好的编程实践，并且很容易让我陷入困境（比我用

换句话说。我相信有很多这样的地方。


欢迎评论。


谢谢，

Brett

I''d like to know what management and the work environment are like where you
work. I need something relative to compare my current work environment.
Here''s a few questions I have:

1.) Is it normal for (technical) management (actually 1 of 2 co owners) to
constantly interrupt developers all day with with questions such as:
"can we look at this",
"I found this, can we try it now",
"Can we see what these guys are doing",
"can we change the color of this just for now"
and so on?

2.) Is it normal for developers to bounce around on little tiny projects all
day or stick to one or two large projects and work with their team?

We use no type of source control, management won''t buy new software, there
are no standards in our development b/c management won''t efforce them, we
shoot from the hip with planning, developers aren''t comp''d anything for
efforts. Obviously I''m looking for another job but want to make sure my
expectations aren''t to high. I believe my current work environment is a
disaster. I didn''t think that when I joined but as I''ve improved, I feel
now this place will just degrade my skills. I want to be rewarded for
effort and also need to be around developers that have much experience, good
programming practicies, and can easily leave me in the dust (better than me
in other words). I''m sure there are plenty of places like that.

Comments in general are welcome.

Thanks,
Brett

推荐答案

你好Brett，我工作的地方我们有一个团队6：

5程序员和1个网络管理员。其中一个程序员是头。

IT，但它更像是一个标题，关于重要的事情我们

总是互相协商。因此，不希望有人想购买一些新的

计划并购买它。我们有幸主要管理层

信任我们，因此我们没有得到预算，但我们买了什么需要。所以

他们信任我们，我们不会滥用它。也没有像你这样的监督

描述它，当然我们试图设定日期到项目需要什么时候完成，但是如果我们可以没有人会被责备

，除非它确实是某人的错。但是我非常清楚，在所有的公司里，我都不喜欢这个，我有这样的优势，我的公司不是很好的。 $ b软件销售公司，所以我们只为内部使用和我们的

分销商编写软件，因此不会有太多的时间压力。我们还有时间在一两个项目上工作，但大多数是因为他们的项目很大，但有时我们不得不在两者之间进行较小的项目。 />
我们也使用自己的控件/类库，所以所有项目都使用相同的

控件和所有项目，或者以大致相同的方式编程。

当然，并非一切都超级好。额外的努力我们也没有得到任何形式的补偿，这有点让人感到羞耻，因为有些人这里的工作比其他人更努力，程序也更好但是我们都得到了相同的工资，而且我们有点被低估了。还有一些

其他问题，但我不能在这里说它们。但总的来说，我很高兴这里有工作，我相信你会找到一个比现在工作的更好的工作环境。

。当然，总会有一些东西可以更好或者在其他地方更好但是你必须考虑专业人士和

骗局。但是我觉得你没有达到预期的高，比较我的工作情况。


Greetz Peter和祝你好运


-

今天的编程是软件工程师之间的竞赛，他们努力建立更好的白痴和更好的白痴程序，宇宙试图产生更大更好的白痴。到目前为止，宇宙正在赢得胜利。


" Brett" < [e-mail]> schreef在bericht

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Hi Brett, where I work we have got an it-team of 6:
5 programmers and 1 one network admin. One of the programmers is "head" of
IT, but it''s more a title than anything else, about important things we
always consult each other. So it isn''t like somebody want''s to buy some new
program and just buys it. We have the privilege that the main management
trusts us, therefor we haven''t realy got a budget but we buy what need. So
they trust us and we don''t abuse it. There also isn''t supervising like you
describe it, ofcourse we try to set dates by what time a project needs to be
finished, but if for example we can''t get that deadline nobody gets blaimed
unless it''s realy somebody''s fault. But I''m very aware that it isn''t like
this in all company''s, I''ve got the adavantage that my company isn''t a
software selling company, so we write software for internal use and for our
distributors only and therefor there isn''t to much time pressure. We also
work on one or two projects at time but mostly one because they''re large
projects but sometimes ofcourse we have to do smaller projects in between.
We also use our own controls/classes library so all projects use the same
controls and all projects or programmed in more or less the same way.
Ofcourse not everything is super here. We also haven''t got any form of
compensation for extra efforts which is a bit a shame because some people
here do work a lot harder and programm better than others but we all get
paid the same wage and we are a bit underrespected. There are also some
other problems but I can''t discust them here. But in general I feel happy
here at work and I''m sure you''ll find a better working environment than the
one where you work now. Ofcourse there will always be things that can be
better or are better at other places but you have to consider the pro''s and
con''s. But I think you haven''t got you''re expectations up to high, compared
to my working situation.

Greetz Peter and good luck

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build big
ger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

"Brett" <[e-mail]> schreef in bericht
news:#9**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

我会想知道管理和工作环境是什么样的，你工作的是
。我需要一些相对于我当前工作环境的东西。
以下是我的几个问题：

1.）（技术）管理是否正常（实际上是2个共同所有者中的1个） ）通过以下问题不断打断开发人员的问题：
我们可以看看这个吗，
我发现了这个，我们现在可以试试吗，
我们能看到这些家伙正在做什么，我们可以暂时改变这种颜色等等吗？

2.）是对于开发人员来说，整天在小小的项目上反弹或者坚持一两个大型项目并与他们的团队合作是正常的吗？

我们不使用任何类型的源代码管理，管理层赢了不买新软件，我们的开发没有标准b / c管理不会给他们带来影响，我们会从规划中匆匆拍摄，开发人员不会做任何事情。为了努力。显然我正在寻找另一份工作，但我想确保我的期望不高。我相信我目前的工作环境是一场灾难。我没有想到，当我加入但是我已经改进了，我觉得现在这个地方只会降低我的技能。我希望获得奖励以获得奖励，并且还需要有很多经验的开发人员，优秀的编程实践，并且可以轻松地让我陷入困境（换句话说，比
更好） ）。我相信有很多这样的地方。

欢迎评论。

谢谢，
Brett

I''d like to know what management and the work environment are like where you work. I need something relative to compare my current work environment.
Here''s a few questions I have:

1.) Is it normal for (technical) management (actually 1 of 2 co owners) to
constantly interrupt developers all day with with questions such as:
"can we look at this",
"I found this, can we try it now",
"Can we see what these guys are doing",
"can we change the color of this just for now"
and so on?

2.) Is it normal for developers to bounce around on little tiny projects all day or stick to one or two large projects and work with their team?

We use no type of source control, management won''t buy new software, there
are no standards in our development b/c management won''t efforce them, we
shoot from the hip with planning, developers aren''t comp''d anything for
efforts. Obviously I''m looking for another job but want to make sure my
expectations aren''t to high. I believe my current work environment is a
disaster. I didn''t think that when I joined but as I''ve improved, I feel
now this place will just degrade my skills. I want to be rewarded for
effort and also need to be around developers that have much experience, good programming practicies, and can easily leave me in the dust (better than me in other words). I''m sure there are plenty of places like that.

Comments in general are welcome.

Thanks,
Brett

至少听起来好像我对我的期望很实际。

谢谢。


很棒的标语行。


Brett


" Peter Proost" < PP ***** @ nospam.hotmail.com>在消息中写道

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At least it sounds as though I''m being practical with my expectations.
Thanks.

Great tag line.

Brett

"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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你好Brett，我工作的地方我们有一个由6人组成的团队：5名程序员和1名网络管理员。其中一个程序员是头。
IT，但它更像是一个标题而不是其他任何东西，关于重要的事情，我们总是互相协商。因此，不希望有人想要购买一些新的
程序并购买它。我们有幸主要管理层信任我们，因此我们没有得到预算，但我们买了什么需要。所以他们相信我们，我们不会滥用它。也没有像你这样的监督描述它，当然我们试图根据项目需要完成的时间来设定日期，但是如果我们不能得到的话那个截止日期没有人得到责备
除非它真的是某人的错。但是我非常清楚，这并不是所有公司都有的，我有一个很好的例子，我的公司不是软件销售公司，所以我们编写供内部使用的软件和仅供我们的经销商使用，因此不会有太多的时间压力。我们还在一个或两个项目上工作但主要是因为他们是大项目，但有时我们必须在两者之间做小项目。
我们也使用我们自己的控件/ classes库所以所有项目都使用相同的
控件和所有项目，或者以大致相同的方式编程。
当然，并非所有项目都超级优秀。我们也没有得到任何形式的额外努力补偿，这有点让人感到羞耻，因为有些人在这里做得比其他人更努力，程序更好，但我们都得到了
支付相同的工资，我们有点被低估。还有一些其他的问题，但我不能在这里讨论它们。但总的来说，我很高兴在这里工作，我相信你会找到一个比你现在工作的工作环境更好的工作环境。当然，在其他地方总会有更好或更好的东西，但你必须考虑专业人士的
和
骗局。但是我觉得你没有达到你的期望值，比较我的工作情况。

Greetz Peter和好运
<今天的编程是一个软件工程师之间的竞赛，他们正在努力建立更好的防止恶劣的程序，并且宇宙试图生产更大更好的东西白痴。到目前为止，宇宙正在赢得胜利。

布雷特 < [e-mail]> schreef在bericht
新闻：＃9 ************** @ TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl ...

Hi Brett, where I work we have got an it-team of 6:
5 programmers and 1 one network admin. One of the programmers is "head" of
IT, but it''s more a title than anything else, about important things we
always consult each other. So it isn''t like somebody want''s to buy some
new
program and just buys it. We have the privilege that the main management
trusts us, therefor we haven''t realy got a budget but we buy what need. So
they trust us and we don''t abuse it. There also isn''t supervising like you
describe it, ofcourse we try to set dates by what time a project needs to
be
finished, but if for example we can''t get that deadline nobody gets
blaimed
unless it''s realy somebody''s fault. But I''m very aware that it isn''t like
this in all company''s, I''ve got the adavantage that my company isn''t a
software selling company, so we write software for internal use and for
our
distributors only and therefor there isn''t to much time pressure. We also
work on one or two projects at time but mostly one because they''re large
projects but sometimes ofcourse we have to do smaller projects in between.
We also use our own controls/classes library so all projects use the same
controls and all projects or programmed in more or less the same way.
Ofcourse not everything is super here. We also haven''t got any form of
compensation for extra efforts which is a bit a shame because some people
here do work a lot harder and programm better than others but we all get
paid the same wage and we are a bit underrespected. There are also some
other problems but I can''t discust them here. But in general I feel happy
here at work and I''m sure you''ll find a better working environment than
the
one where you work now. Ofcourse there will always be things that can be
better or are better at other places but you have to consider the pro''s
and
con''s. But I think you haven''t got you''re expectations up to high,
compared
to my working situation.

Greetz Peter and good luck

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
big
ger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

"Brett" <[e-mail]> schreef in bericht
news:#9**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

我想知道是什么管理和工作环境就像在哪里

I''d like to know what management and the work environment are like where

你

工作。我需要一些相对于我当前工作环境的东西。
以下是我的几个问题：

1.）（技术）管理是否正常（实际上是2个共同所有者中的1个） ）

通过以下问题不断打断开发人员的问题：
我们可以看看这个吗？，我发现了这个，我们现在可以试试吗？ ，
我们能看到这些家伙正在做什么吗？，我们可以改变现在的颜色吗？
等等？

2.）开发人员在小小项目上反弹

work. I need something relative to compare my current work environment.
Here''s a few questions I have:

1.) Is it normal for (technical) management (actually 1 of 2 co owners)
to
constantly interrupt developers all day with with questions such as:
"can we look at this",
"I found this, can we try it now",
"Can we see what these guys are doing",
"can we change the color of this just for now"
and so on?

2.) Is it normal for developers to bounce around on little tiny projects

所有

当天或坚持一两个大型项目并与他们的团队合作是否正常？

我们不使用任何类型的源代码控制，管理层不会购买新软件，

我们的开发中没有标准b / c管理不会强制它们，我们<从策划开始，开发人员并没有为任何事情做任何事情努力。显然我正在寻找另一份工作，但我想确保我的期望不高。我相信我目前的工作环境是一场灾难。我没有想到，当我加入但是我已经改进了，我觉得现在这个地方只会降低我的技能。我希望获得奖励，并且还需要有很多经验的开发人员，

day or stick to one or two large projects and work with their team?

We use no type of source control, management won''t buy new software,
there
are no standards in our development b/c management won''t efforce them, we
shoot from the hip with planning, developers aren''t comp''d anything for
efforts. Obviously I''m looking for another job but want to make sure my
expectations aren''t to high. I believe my current work environment is a
disaster. I didn''t think that when I joined but as I''ve improved, I feel
now this place will just degrade my skills. I want to be rewarded for
effort and also need to be around developers that have much experience,

好的

编程实践，并且可以轻松地让我留在灰尘（优于

programming practicies, and can easily leave me in the dust (better than

me

me

换句话说）。我相信有很多这样的地方。

欢迎评论。

谢谢，
Brett

in other words). I''m sure there are plenty of places like that.

Comments in general are welcome.

Thanks,
Brett

顺便问一下，你在哪个国家工作？


谢谢，

Brett


" Peter Proost" < PP ***** @ nospam.hotmail.com>在消息中写道

新闻：eY ************* @ TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl ...

By the way, which country do you work in?

Thanks,
Brett

"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eY*************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

你好Brett，我工作的地方我们有一个由6人组成的团队：5名程序员和1名网络管理员。其中一个程序员是头。
IT，但它更像是一个标题而不是其他任何东西，关于重要的事情，我们总是互相协商。因此，不希望有人想要购买一些新的
程序并购买它。我们有幸主要管理层信任我们，因此我们没有得到预算，但我们买了什么需要。所以他们相信我们，我们不会滥用它。也没有像你这样的监督描述它，当然我们试图根据项目需要完成的时间来设定日期，但是如果我们不能得到的话那个截止日期没有人得到责备
除非它真的是某人的错。但是我非常清楚，这并不是所有公司都有的，我有一个很好的例子，我的公司不是软件销售公司，所以我们编写供内部使用的软件和仅供我们的经销商使用，因此不会有太多的时间压力。我们还在一个或两个项目上工作但主要是因为他们是大项目，但有时我们必须在两者之间做小项目。
我们也使用我们自己的控件/ classes库所以所有项目都使用相同的
控件和所有项目，或者以大致相同的方式编程。
当然，并非所有项目都超级优秀。我们也没有得到任何形式的额外努力补偿，这有点让人感到羞耻，因为有些人在这里做得比其他人更努力，程序更好，但我们都得到了
支付相同的工资，我们有点被低估。还有一些其他的问题，但我不能在这里讨论它们。但总的来说，我很高兴在这里工作，我相信你会找到一个比你现在工作的工作环境更好的工作环境。当然，在其他地方总会有更好或更好的东西，但你必须考虑专业人士的
和
骗局。但是我觉得你没有达到你的期望值，比较我的工作情况。

Greetz Peter和好运
<今天的编程是一个软件工程师之间的竞赛，他们正在努力建立更好的防止恶劣的程序，并且宇宙试图生产更大更好的东西白痴。到目前为止，宇宙正在赢得胜利。

布雷特 < [e-mail]> schreef在bericht
新闻：＃9 ************** @ TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl ...

Hi Brett, where I work we have got an it-team of 6:
5 programmers and 1 one network admin. One of the programmers is "head" of
IT, but it''s more a title than anything else, about important things we
always consult each other. So it isn''t like somebody want''s to buy some
new
program and just buys it. We have the privilege that the main management
trusts us, therefor we haven''t realy got a budget but we buy what need. So
they trust us and we don''t abuse it. There also isn''t supervising like you
describe it, ofcourse we try to set dates by what time a project needs to
be
finished, but if for example we can''t get that deadline nobody gets
blaimed
unless it''s realy somebody''s fault. But I''m very aware that it isn''t like
this in all company''s, I''ve got the adavantage that my company isn''t a
software selling company, so we write software for internal use and for
our
distributors only and therefor there isn''t to much time pressure. We also
work on one or two projects at time but mostly one because they''re large
projects but sometimes ofcourse we have to do smaller projects in between.
We also use our own controls/classes library so all projects use the same
controls and all projects or programmed in more or less the same way.
Ofcourse not everything is super here. We also haven''t got any form of
compensation for extra efforts which is a bit a shame because some people
here do work a lot harder and programm better than others but we all get
paid the same wage and we are a bit underrespected. There are also some
other problems but I can''t discust them here. But in general I feel happy
here at work and I''m sure you''ll find a better working environment than
the
one where you work now. Ofcourse there will always be things that can be
better or are better at other places but you have to consider the pro''s
and
con''s. But I think you haven''t got you''re expectations up to high,
compared
to my working situation.

Greetz Peter and good luck

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
big
ger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

"Brett" <[e-mail]> schreef in bericht
news:#9**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

我想知道是什么管理和工作环境就像在哪里

I''d like to know what management and the work environment are like where

你

工作。我需要一些相对于我当前工作环境的东西。
以下是我的几个问题：

1.）（技术）管理是否正常（实际上是2个共同所有者中的1个） ）

通过以下问题不断打断开发人员的问题：
我们可以看看这个吗？，我发现了这个，我们现在可以试试吗？ ，
我们能看到这些家伙正在做什么吗？，我们可以改变现在的颜色吗？
等等？

2.）开发人员在小小项目上反弹

work. I need something relative to compare my current work environment.
Here''s a few questions I have:

1.) Is it normal for (technical) management (actually 1 of 2 co owners)
to
constantly interrupt developers all day with with questions such as:
"can we look at this",
"I found this, can we try it now",
"Can we see what these guys are doing",
"can we change the color of this just for now"
and so on?

2.) Is it normal for developers to bounce around on little tiny projects

所有

当天或坚持一两个大型项目并与他们的团队合作是否正常？

我们不使用任何类型的源代码控制，管理层不会购买新软件，

我们的开发中没有标准b / c管理不会强制它们，我们<从策划开始，开发人员并没有为任何事情做任何事情努力。显然我正在寻找另一份工作，但我想确保我的期望不高。我相信我目前的工作环境是一场灾难。我没有想到，当我加入但是我已经改进了，我觉得现在这个地方只会降低我的技能。我希望获得奖励，并且还需要有很多经验的开发人员，

day or stick to one or two large projects and work with their team?

We use no type of source control, management won''t buy new software,
there
are no standards in our development b/c management won''t efforce them, we
shoot from the hip with planning, developers aren''t comp''d anything for
efforts. Obviously I''m looking for another job but want to make sure my
expectations aren''t to high. I believe my current work environment is a
disaster. I didn''t think that when I joined but as I''ve improved, I feel
now this place will just degrade my skills. I want to be rewarded for
effort and also need to be around developers that have much experience,

好的

编程实践，并且可以轻松地让我留在灰尘（优于

programming practicies, and can easily leave me in the dust (better than

me

me

换句话说）。我相信有很多这样的地方。

欢迎评论。

谢谢，
Brett

in other words). I''m sure there are plenty of places like that.

Comments in general are welcome.

Thanks,
Brett

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