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我个人不同意任何浏览器中的Viewable。该网站

坦率地过时，似乎不再是maitained，有几个

建议，不再有很多意义了。在我看来，根据标准（有效标记和

CSS代码）和良好的编码实践（无表格设计，优雅的
），b $ b对于编码来说更为重要。
退化等）而不是根据浏览器中较低的常见

分母进行编码。


让我们面对它：有几乎没有人使用MSIE 4或NS

4.x.我们已经处于Firefox 1.5，NS 8.x，MSIE 7和Opera

8.5的时代。一致的消息来源表明MSIE 5.x现在使用的价格低于Firefox 1.x（例如：2005年8月的全球统计数据：
http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2005/August/browser.php ）。

一些边缘浏览器不再被维护，而其他一些边缘浏览器（例如Icab 3，Amaya 9.x）正在升级为

完全支持HTML 4.01，CSS 2.1和DOM 1.

在这种精神下，我偶然发现了其他我认为很多的角色

更有意义，更主动，对网络有用：


- 任何现代浏览器： http://merri.net/anymodernbrowser.shtml

- 浏览快乐： http://browsehappy.com/

- 另类浏览器联盟： http://www.alternativebrowseralliance.com/

- 免费表格： http://www.workingwith.me.uk / tablefree / why /

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I personally disagree with the Viewable in Any browser campain. The site
is frankly outdated, seems to be no longer maitained, has several
recommendations that don''t make a lot of sense anymore. In my mind, it
is much more important to code according to standards (valid markup and
CSS code) and good coding practices (tableless design, graceful
degradation, etc.) than to code according to the lower common
denominator among browsers.

Let''s face it: there is pretty much no one anymore who uses MSIE 4 or NS
4.x. We are already in the era of Firefox 1.5, NS 8.x, MSIE 7 and Opera
8.5. An unanimity of sources indicate that MSIE 5.x is now used less
than Firefox 1.x (eg: world-wide stats of August 2005:
http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2005/August/browser.php ).
Some marginal browsers are no longer being maintained either while some
other marginal browsers (e.g Icab 3, Amaya 9.x) are being upgraded to
support fully HTML 4.01, CSS 2.1 and DOM 1.

In that spirit, I stumble across other campains which I think make a lot
more sense and are more proactive, useful for the web in general:

- Any modern browser: http://merri.net/anymodernbrowser.shtml
- Browse Happy: http://browsehappy.com/
- Alternative Browser Alliance: http://www.alternativebrowseralliance.com/
- Table free campain: http://www.workingwith.me.uk/tablefree/why/

Gérard
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$ b $bGérardTalbot写道：

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Gérard Talbot wrote:

我个人不同意任何浏览器中的Viewable。
....在我看来，根据
标准（有效标记和CSS代码）和良好的编码实践进行编码更为重要（无表格设计，优雅降级等）。而不是根据浏览器中较低的共同点编码

让我们面对现实：几乎没有人使用
MSIE 4或NS 4 。X。我们已经处于Firefox 1.5，NS 8.x，MSIE 7和Opera 8.5的时代。

I personally disagree with the Viewable in Any browser campain. ....In my mind, it is much more important to code according to
standards (valid markup and CSS code) and good coding practices
(tableless design, graceful degradation, etc.) than to code
according to the lower common denominator among browsers.

Let''s face it: there is pretty much no one anymore who uses
MSIE 4 or NS 4.x. We are already in the era of Firefox 1.5,
NS 8.x, MSIE 7 and Opera 8.5.

在我看来，剩下的少数几个用户古老的浏览器

用于大多数看起来不好的页面，如果

文本完全可读，我们将不胜感激。


那里然而，是一个旧的我们都应该支持的浏览器;

Lynx。

In my opinion, those few remaining users of ancient browsers
are used to most pages looking bad, and are grateful if the
text is readable at all.

There is, however, one "old" browser that we should all support;
Lynx.

嗯，我同意你的意见一般评论说AnyBrowser有点

没有维护，并且一些建议（评论Javascript代码）已经过时了，其他位将受益于更新讨论

最近的兼容性问题和更多样式表问题。


仍然，如果你做了合理的质量代码并记得隐藏复杂的

CSS从旧浏览器（通常是@import方法）那么你可以支持

NS4 / IE4，就像你支持Lynx一样 - 没有样式的内容 -

而不需要担心关于它。


*耸肩*为什么不在任何浏览器中使用它？如果它适用于Lynx，IE

和任何现代图形浏览器，并且你坚持着名的

可访问性原则，它几乎可以在任何浏览器中运行而不需要

巨额额外的努力。 （通常情况下，我付出的巨大努力是

让它在IE中运行）

$ b $bGérardTalbot< ne ******** ***@gtalbot.org>写道：

Well, I agree with your general comment that AnyBrowser is a little
unmaintained, and some of the advice (commenting Javascript code) is
out of date, and other bits would benefit from updating to discuss
more recent compatibility issues and more stylesheet issues.

Still, if you do reasonable quality code and remember to hide complex
CSS from older browsers (@import method, usually) then you can support
NS4/IE4 in the same way you support Lynx - content without styling -
without really needing to worry about it much.

*shrug* Why not have it work in any browser? If it works in Lynx, IE
and any modern graphical browser, and you stick to well-known
accessibility principles, it can work in almost any browser without a
huge amount of extra effort. (The big effort for me, usually, is
getting it to work in IE)

Gérard Talbot <ne***********@gtalbot.org> writes:

- 任何现代浏览器： http://merri.net /anymodernbrowser.shtml

在我看来，最初的步骤之一是切换到XHTML。


嗯。使用CSS媒体类型的建议可能是好的，但是没有必要使用XHTML 1.0（或者他们甚至建议使用1.1）。 HTML 4

严格具有几乎完全相同的好处[1]和缺点[2]。


[1]如果你的内部存储格式是XHTML 1.0那么有一种情况

用于显示，我想。任何其他XML格式，它可以像XHTML一样轻松地对HTML进行XSLTd。


[2]你需要一个带有HTML的自定义doctype来检查一些有用的

XHTML严格性规则，如关闭< / p>需要，对于

的例子，但这不是什么大问题。

- 浏览快乐： http://browsehappy.com/
- 另类浏览器联盟： http://www.alternativebrowseralliance.com/

我不确定这些真的*替换* anybrowser - 这非常

针对开发人员。这些似乎主要针对用户和

不要给开发人员提供更多详细信息*如何*在任何浏览器中制作

a网站的工作。


这是一个很有价值的目标，但不一定是任何浏览器的目的。

- 表免费的campain： http://www.workingwith.me.uk/tablefree/why/

- Any modern browser: http://merri.net/anymodernbrowser.shtml
"One of the first steps, in my opinion, is to switch to XHTML."

Hmm. The advice to use CSS media types is potentially good, but
there''s no need to use XHTML 1.0 (or they even suggest 1.1). HTML 4
Strict has almost exactly the same benefits [1] and disadvantages [2].

[1] If your internal storage format is XHTML 1.0 then there''s a case
for using that for display, I suppose. Any other XML format and it can
be XSLTd to HTML about as easily as XHTML.

[2] You need a custom doctype with HTML to check some of the useful
XHTML strictness rules like closing of </p> being required, for
example, but that''s not a big deal.
- Browse Happy: http://browsehappy.com/
- Alternative Browser Alliance: http://www.alternativebrowseralliance.com/
I''m not sure these really *replace* anybrowser - which was very much
directed at developers. These seem to be directed mainly at users and
don''t give much in the way of detail to developers as to *how* to make
a site work in any browser.

It''s a valuable aim, but not necessarily what anybrowser was/is about.
- Table free campain: http://www.workingwith.me.uk/tablefree/why/

相当不错，适合那个地区。它可能应该强调多一点

，数据表*仍然可以，考虑到有人在这里不时发布

的人数没有表太远了。


我自己试图（合理地）提供关于可访问和

兼容网络创作的最新建议，请访问
http://www.dur.ac.uk/its/services/ web / accessibility /

他们还需要一些工作，但我没有时间做更多的事情

更新最后一对夫妇的链接多年来。


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Chris

Fairly good, for that area. It probably should emphasise a bit more
that data tables *are* still okay, given the number of people posting
here from time to time who have taken ''no tables'' too far.

My own attempts to give (reasonably) updated advice on accessible and
compatible web authoring are at
http://www.dur.ac.uk/its/services/web/accessibility/
They also need a bit of work, but I haven''t had time to do more than
update links for the last couple of years.

--
Chris

GérardTalbot写道：

Gérard Talbot wrote:

我个人不同意任何浏览器中的Viewable。网站
坦率地过时了，似乎已经不再是mailained，有几个建议，不再有很多意义了。在我看来，根据标准（有效的标记和CSS代码）和良好的编码实践（无表格设计，优雅的降级等）编码比编码要重要得多。根据浏览器中较低的常见分母。

让我们面对现实：几乎没有人使用MSIE 4或NS
4.x.我们已经处于Firefox 1.5，NS 8.x，MSIE 7和Opera
8.5的时代。一致的消息来源表明MSIE 5.x现在使用的次数少于Firefox 1.x（例如：2005年8月的全球统计数据：
http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2005/August/browser.php ）。<一些边缘浏览器不再被维护，而一些其他边缘浏览器（例如Icab 3，Amaya 9.x）正在升级到完全支持HTML 4.01，CSS 2.1和DOM 1。

本着这种精神，我偶然发现了其他我认为非常有意义且更加积极主动，对网络有用的其他方面：

- 任何现代浏览器： http://merri.net/anymodernbrowser.shtml
- 浏览快乐： http://browsehappy.com/
- 另类浏览器联盟： http://www.alternativebrowseralliance.com/
- 免费表格： http://www.workingwith.me.uk/tablefree/why/

虽然该网站最近可能尚未更新（上次更新

是一年前），但设计指南中的大部分建议都是如此。仍然是有效的
。用其中一些来解释：


*不要为特定窗口大小创建网页或

分辨率。

*在创建

页面的文件名时避免使用保留字符。


*编码链接时请注意区分大小写。


*确保文本和背景之间有足够的对比度

颜色。


*如果为未访问的链接设置颜色为访问过的链接设置不同的颜色

。


*指定图像的高度和宽度。


*仅使用表格制作表格式演示文稿，而不是创建

页边距或其他最好通过样式表进行的布局。


*明智的使用框架。除非页面

对他们更有用，否则不要使用它们。 （请参阅< URL：http：//cad.chp.ca.gov/>

以获得良好使用框架的示例。）


这些指导方针不会随着时尚而改变。他们保持

有效而无需经常修改。


-


David E. Ross

< URL：http：//www.rossde.com/>


我使用Mozilla作为我的Web浏览器，因为我想要一个浏览器

符合Web标准。请参阅< URL：http：//www.mozilla.org/>。

While the site might not have been updated recently (last update
was a year ago), much of the advice in "Design Guide" is still
valid. To paraphrase some of them:

* Don''t create a Web page for a specific window size or
resolution.

* Avoid reserved characters when creating the file names of
pages.

* Observe case-sensitivity when coding links.

* Be sure to have sufficient contrast between text and background
colors.

* If you set the color for unvisited links, set a different color
for visited links.

* Specify the height and width of images.

* Use tables only to make a tabular presentation, not to create
margins or other layout that is best done via style-sheets.

* Be judicious in using frames. Don''t use them unless the page
really is MORE useful with them. (See <URL:http://cad.chp.ca.gov/>
for an example of a good use of frames.)

These kinds of guidelines don''t change with fashions. They remain
valid without frequent revisions.

--

David E. Ross
<URL:http://www.rossde.com/>

I use Mozilla as my Web browser because I want a browser that
complies with Web standards. See <URL:http://www.mozilla.org/>.

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