Python 3000与Perl 6 [英] Python 3000 vs Perl 6
问题描述
如果Perl 6能够站稳脚跟并获得释放，那么它与Python 3000相比如何？b $ b？ Perl 6现在更像是Java和Parrot吗？我想要确保Python保持竞争力。
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6月24日上午8:20，Corey G. < ctg ... @ runbox.comwrote：
如果Perl 6确实站了起来并获得释放，它是怎么回事
与Python 3000相比？ Perl 6现在更像是Java和Parrot吗？我想要确保Python保持竞争力。
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你的意思是速度（鹦鹉是JIT？）。我相信Python 3k
将会有一个类似于它当前2.5的b $ b的速度，可能会在某些地方加速。但是，我认为重点是Python 3k尝试从Python语言中删除疣
，以使其对读者更友好，并且
作家都一样。以这种方式它应该/将保持竞争力。
但是对于整体使用，一般的建议是暂时使用
2.x系列，试图确保你的代码风格朝着Py3k风格转移到
，然后跳转到3.x系列，当它是
最终时。
另一点，Perl 6将会发布：P
在处理准确或不准确的谣言方面，我的意思是什么
有速度，是的。有很多比较，其中Perl比普通
表达式等''某些''操作快了4-15倍。
对于我个人来说，这绝对没有任何意义，因为如果我花费多少时间来理解意大利面条，那么混淆的Perl代码就会无关紧要。\\ b
无关紧要。主要担心（我关注的）是Perl 6是否更像是带有预编译字节代码的Java（我说得对吗）和
是否没有能力看到表面的个人
将开始向Perl 6迁移，因为它看似更快的
能力。
Perl 6需要花费10年以上的时间，如果它实际上被释放，那么它将在技术上领先于Python 3000吗？ Parrot是否值得额外
等待Perl 6项目持久？我自己的回答是肯定的，但是我很好奇其他人的想法。 :)
-Thanks！
2008年6月24日凌晨2:52， co ********* @ gmail.com 写道：
6月24日上午8:20，Corey G. < ctg ... @ runbox.comwrote：
>如果Perl 6确实站了起来并被释放，它是如何比较的到Python 3000？ Perl 6现在更像是Java和Parrot吗？我只想确保Python保持竞争力。
如果这是错误的邮件列表，请告诉我。谢谢！
你的意思是速度（鹦鹉是JIT？）。我相信Python 3k
将会有一个类似于它当前2.5的b $ b的速度，可能会在某些地方加速。但是，我认为重点是Python 3k尝试从Python语言中删除疣
，以使其对读者更友好，并且
作家都一样。以这种方式它应该/将保持竞争力。
但是对于整体使用，一般的建议是暂时使用
2.x系列，试图确保你的代码风格朝着Py3k风格转移到
，然后跳转到3.x系列，当它是
最终时。
另一点，Perl 6将会发布：P
-
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
6月24日上午10点36分，Corey G. < ctg ... @ runbox.comwrote：
我的意思是，在处理准确或不准确的谣言方面
是有速度的，是的。有很多比较，其中Perl比普通
表达式等''某些''操作快了4-15倍。
对于我个人来说，这绝对没有任何意义，因为如果我花费多少时间来理解意大利面条，那么混淆的Perl代码就会无关紧要。\\ b
无关紧要。主要担心（我关注的）是Perl 6是否更像是带有预编译字节代码的Java（我说得对吗）和
是否没有能力看到表面的个人
将开始向Perl 6迁移，因为它看似更快的
能力。
Perl 6需要花费10年以上的时间，如果它实际上被释放，那么它将在技术上领先于Python 3000吗？ Parrot是否值得额外
等待Perl 6项目持久？我自己的回答是肯定的，但是我很好奇其他人的想法。 :)
-Thanks！
从快速阅读Parrot Wiki页面看起来他们希望
有一天允许编译BOTH Perl 6和Python，这可能会很有趣。
朝着速度，http://shootout.alioth.debian.org /de...t=all&lang=all
将Python置于perl之前，Python Psyco领先于Parrot PIR。
虽然我没有'看看每个基准比较，所以很难
告诉。
对于Perl 6提供的东西，它上面的Wiki似乎表明它会
是Perl 5的清理以及其他
语言的许多功能。似乎Lary已经采取了全部采取措施
，这可以很好地提供几乎任何格式的创建Perl脚本的
。或者它可能会引起巨大的混乱，因为用户要求获得帮助并获得1001种不同的方法...
它比Python 3k更先进，时间更长会告诉。
仍然有效并且正在更新。因此，虽然我个人将使用Python保留
，但其他人可能会移动或使用两者。
If Perl 6 ever does get on its feet and get released, how does it
compare to Python 3000? Is Perl 6 more like Java now with Parrot? I
just want to make sure that Python is staying competitive.
If this is the wrong mailing list, just let me know. Thanks!
On Jun 24, 8:20 am, "Corey G." <ctg...@runbox.comwrote:If Perl 6 ever does get on its feet and get released, how does it
compare to Python 3000? Is Perl 6 more like Java now with Parrot? I
just want to make sure that Python is staying competitive.
If this is the wrong mailing list, just let me know. Thanks!Do you mean in terms of speed (parrot is a JIT?). I believe Python 3k
will (when out of beta) will have a speed similar to what it has
currently in 2.5, possibly with speed ups in some locations. But
competitive-wise I think the point is Python 3k tries to remove warts
from the Python Language to make it even more friendly to readers and
writers alike. In that way it should/will stay competitive.
However towards overall usage, the general advice is to stay with the
2.x series for now, trying to ensure your code style is moving towards
the Py3k style, and then make the jump to the 3.x series when it is
finialised.
Another point, is Perl 6 ever going to get released :P
What I meant, in terms of dealing with accurate or non-accurate rumors
is with speed, yes. There are plenty of comparisons where Perl is
4-15x faster then Python for ''some'' operations regarding regular
expressions, etc.
For me personally, this means absolutely nothing because if I spend
50x more time comprehending spaghetti, obfuscated Perl code it''s
irrelevant. The main concern (my concern) is whether or not Perl 6 is
more like Java with pre-compiled byte code (did I say that right) and
whether or not individuals without the ability to see past the surface
will begin to migrate towards Perl 6 for its seemingly faster
capabilities.
With Perl 6 taking 10+ years, if/when it actually gets released, will
it be technically ahead of Python 3000? Is Parrot worth the extra
wait the Perl 6 project is enduring? My own answer would be a
resounding no, but I am curious as to what others think. :)
-Thanks!
On Jun 24, 2008, at 2:52 AM, co*********@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 24, 8:20 am, "Corey G." <ctg...@runbox.comwrote:>If Perl 6 ever does get on its feet and get released, how does it
compare to Python 3000? Is Perl 6 more like Java now with Parrot? I
just want to make sure that Python is staying competitive.
If this is the wrong mailing list, just let me know. Thanks!
Do you mean in terms of speed (parrot is a JIT?). I believe Python 3k
will (when out of beta) will have a speed similar to what it has
currently in 2.5, possibly with speed ups in some locations. But
competitive-wise I think the point is Python 3k tries to remove warts
from the Python Language to make it even more friendly to readers and
writers alike. In that way it should/will stay competitive.
However towards overall usage, the general advice is to stay with the
2.x series for now, trying to ensure your code style is moving towards
the Py3k style, and then make the jump to the 3.x series when it is
finialised.
Another point, is Perl 6 ever going to get released :P
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On Jun 24, 10:36 am, "Corey G." <ctg...@runbox.comwrote:What I meant, in terms of dealing with accurate or non-accurate rumors
is with speed, yes. There are plenty of comparisons where Perl is
4-15x faster then Python for ''some'' operations regarding regular
expressions, etc.
For me personally, this means absolutely nothing because if I spend
50x more time comprehending spaghetti, obfuscated Perl code it''s
irrelevant. The main concern (my concern) is whether or not Perl 6 is
more like Java with pre-compiled byte code (did I say that right) and
whether or not individuals without the ability to see past the surface
will begin to migrate towards Perl 6 for its seemingly faster
capabilities.
With Perl 6 taking 10+ years, if/when it actually gets released, will
it be technically ahead of Python 3000? Is Parrot worth the extra
wait the Perl 6 project is enduring? My own answer would be a
resounding no, but I am curious as to what others think. :)
-Thanks!
From a quick read of the Parrot Wiki page it would appear they hope to
one day allow the compilation of BOTH Perl 6 and Python, which could
be interesting.
Towards the speed, http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/de...t=all&lang=all
puts Python ahead of perl, and Python Psyco ahead of Parrot PIR.
Though I haven''t looked at each benchmark comparison so it is hard to
tell.
Towards what Perl 6 offers, the Wiki on it seems to indicate it will
be a clean up of Perl 5 as well as adding of many features from other
languages. It seems like Lary has gone for the TAKE IT ALL approach
which could work out well in providing practically any format for
creating Perl scripts. Or it could cause huge confusion as users ask
for help and received a 1001 different approaches...
Towards it being more advanced than Python 3k, time will tell. Both
are still active and getting updated. So while I personally will stay
with Python, others may move, or use both.
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