重新访问数据库规范.. [英] Getting the database specification revisited..
问题描述
我正在尝试获取数据库的规范。麻烦的是客户
经常脱口而出行业术语，疯狂地说话并且很容易被b / b
贬值。他们目前正在使用大约30种不同的电子表格，并且他们希望我将这些电子表格细化到Access数据库中。目前的
系统是一个完整的混乱。
我的直觉是项目实际上相当简单，但在
之后几个会议，电子邮件和电话交谈我不接近
抓住这份工作的范围。我似乎一遍又一遍地问同样的问题
得到不同的答案或找到另一个惊喜
实体是必需的。简而言之，我不认为说它们是无组织的和糟糕的沟通者是不公平的。
我已经开始尝试绘制图表了数据库（我对此很陌生，但是对它充满信心）但它就像是在试图减少我们的对话和大量电子表格来减少我们的b / b
简单的数据流
图。
我想要这份工作。
接下来你会做什么？
Paul
I am trying to get the spec for a database. The trouble is the client
frequently blurts out industry jargon, speaks insanely quickly and is easily
sidetracked. They are currently using around 30 different spreadsheets and
they want me to refine those spreadsheets in to an Access DB. The current
system is a complete mess.
My gut feeling is the project is actually fairly straightforward, but after
several meetings, emails and telephone conversations I am no closer to
"grasping" the scope of this job. I seem to be asking the same questions
over and over and getting different answers or finding another "surprise"
entity is required. In a nutshell I don''t think it is unfair to say that
they are both disorganised and poor communicators.
I have started trying to diagram the database (I am new to this, but
confident with it) but it''s like pulling teeth trying to reduce our
confusing conversations and mass of spreadsheets down to a simple data flow
diagram.
I want this job.
What would you do next?
Paul
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2007年2月5日星期一17:51： 32 -0000，Paul H < pa ** @nospam.comwrote：
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:51:32 -0000, "Paul H" <pa**@nospam.comwrote:
>我正在尝试获取数据库的规范。问题是客户经常脱口而出行业术语，疯狂地说话并且很容易被牵制。他们目前正在使用大约30种不同的电子表格，并且他们希望我将这些电子表格细化到Access数据库中。目前的系统完全混乱。
我的直觉是项目实际上相当简单，但在几次会议，电子邮件和电话交谈后，我并不接近
抓住这份工作的范围。我似乎一遍又一遍地问同样的问题，得到不同的答案或找到另一个惊喜的实体是必需的。简而言之，我不认为说这些都是混乱和糟糕的沟通者是不公平的。
我已经开始尝试绘制数据库图表了（我是新手，但是对它充满信心）但它就像拔牙一样，试图将我们令人困惑的对话和大量电子表格简化为一个简单的数据流图表。
我想要这份工作。
接下来你会做什么？
Paul
>I am trying to get the spec for a database. The trouble is the client
frequently blurts out industry jargon, speaks insanely quickly and is easily
sidetracked. They are currently using around 30 different spreadsheets and
they want me to refine those spreadsheets in to an Access DB. The current
system is a complete mess.
My gut feeling is the project is actually fairly straightforward, but after
several meetings, emails and telephone conversations I am no closer to
"grasping" the scope of this job. I seem to be asking the same questions
over and over and getting different answers or finding another "surprise"
entity is required. In a nutshell I don''t think it is unfair to say that
they are both disorganised and poor communicators.
I have started trying to diagram the database (I am new to this, but
confident with it) but it''s like pulling teeth trying to reduce our
confusing conversations and mass of spreadsheets down to a simple data flow
diagram.
I want this job.
What would you do next?
Paul
像heck一样奔跑。
听起来像客户不知道他们需要什么或想要什么
所以你提供的任何东西都不符合他们的期望而且你是
为了让它发挥作用，我们将不知所措。
如果你不想跑，请确保你有一份铁质合同
with交付产品的非常明确的工作声明
。还要确保维护和升级是合同中单独的
项目。
我不会在项目费的基础上做这个，它会是
努力费用的基础，我不会以每小时的价格来便宜。
祝你有愉快的一天。 ld****@NOPANTS.juno.com
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Run like heck.
It sounds to me like the customer does not know what they need or want
so anything you provide will not meet their expectations and you are
going to be on the hook to make it work.
If you don''t want to RUN, make sure you have an iron clad contract
with a very explicit Statement of Work for the product to be
delivered. Also make sure that maintenance and upgrade is a separate
item in the contract.
I would not do this one on a project fee basis, it would be a level of
effort fee basis and I don''t come cheap at the per hour rate.
Have a nice day. ld****@NOPANTS.juno.com
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Paul H写道：
Paul H wrote:
我正在尝试获取数据库的规范。麻烦的是客户
经常脱口而出行业术语，疯狂地说话并且很容易被b / b
贬值。他们目前正在使用大约30种不同的电子表格，并且他们希望我将这些电子表格细化到Access数据库中。目前的
系统是一个完整的混乱。
我的直觉是项目实际上相当简单，但在
之后几个会议，电子邮件和电话交谈我不接近
抓住这份工作的范围。我似乎一遍又一遍地问同样的问题
得到不同的答案或找到另一个惊喜
实体是必需的。简而言之，我不认为说它们是无组织的和糟糕的沟通者是不公平的。
我已经开始尝试绘制图表了数据库（我对此很陌生，但是对它充满信心）但它就像是在试图减少我们的对话和大量电子表格来减少我们的b / b
简单的数据流
图。
我想要这份工作。
接下来你会做什么？
I am trying to get the spec for a database. The trouble is the client
frequently blurts out industry jargon, speaks insanely quickly and is easily
sidetracked. They are currently using around 30 different spreadsheets and
they want me to refine those spreadsheets in to an Access DB. The current
system is a complete mess.
My gut feeling is the project is actually fairly straightforward, but after
several meetings, emails and telephone conversations I am no closer to
"grasping" the scope of this job. I seem to be asking the same questions
over and over and getting different answers or finding another "surprise"
entity is required. In a nutshell I don''t think it is unfair to say that
they are both disorganised and poor communicators.
I have started trying to diagram the database (I am new to this, but
confident with it) but it''s like pulling teeth trying to reduce our
confusing conversations and mass of spreadsheets down to a simple data flow
diagram.
I want this job.
What would you do next?
与其他人交谈。优选地，实际上将最经常使用最终产品的人/人。你正在谈论的那个人现在可能甚至不知道需要什么。
Talk to someone else. Preferably the person/people that will actually
be using the end product most frequently. The person you are talking
to now probably doesn''t even know what is required.
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