CUJ和Microsoft C ++ [英] CUJ and Microsoft C++

问题描述

是否有其他人看到C / C ++用户中出现的与Microsoft相关的频率模式
C ++文章（不包括广告）

期刊''过去6个月？


看来许多常见的专栏作家都在努力争取

C ++标准遵循托管C ++世界中的几项新发明。

大多数情况下，这些新发明似乎是解决.NET仅使用标准C ++的问题所必需的。有趣的是，似乎Bjarne

Stroustrop正在帮助微软解决其中的一些问题。


我从来不相信最新的微软WhizBang （毕竟，有很多人死于雷蒙德），但看到文章显示

Bjarne的参与让我暂停了一下。我个人非常有信心

，他只考虑标准C ++的最佳意图。我想

看到Bjarne对C ++ / CLI有什么看法 - 有没有人看过任何来自Bjarne的单词

？

有些人可能会认为我只是另一个反微软的人。我不是b $ b。我是一个支持标准的人 - 这就是为什么我选择使用

标准C ++。我对任何有兴趣回答的人提出的问题是：你是否对这家最大的软件集团感到关注，他们现在也是b / b夸耀> 98％C ++标准符合性，导致标准将来如何改变C ++将会发生变化？此外，你是否认为一旦他们达到100％的标准合规性，他们就应该夸奖？标准化发布后这么多年，98％好了

？它是否应该让我们说服我们足以让微软为我们带头？


再次，我只是在100％标准合规性方面有所作为。我希望别人能做到b $ b到。我很好奇。

NPC

Hi,
Is anyone else seeing a pattern with the frequency of Microsoft-related
C++ articles (not including advertisements) appearing in the ''C/C++ Users
Journal'' over the last 6 months?

It appears that many of the usual columnists are pushing hard to have the
C++ Standard follow several new inventions in the Managed C++ World.
Mostly, these new inventions appear necessary to solve issues .NET is having
with using only standard C++. Interestingly, it appears that Bjarne
Stroustrop is helping Microsoft resolve some of these issues now.

I''ve never been too convinced of the latest Microsoft WhizBang (there are
so many dying whizbangs from Redmond after all), but to see articles showing
Bjarne''s involvement makes me pause somewhat. I personally feel confident
that he has only the best intentions for Standard C++ in mind. I would like
to see anything Bjarne has to say about C++/CLI - has anyone seen any words
of the sort from Bjarne directly?

Some may think that I''m just another anti-Microsoft kind of guy. I am
not. I am a pro-standards kind of guy - which is why I choose to use
Standard C++. My question to anyone interested in answering is: "Are you
concerned at all about the largest software conglomerate, who also now
boasts > 98% C++ Standards Compliance, leading the charge in how Standard
C++ will change in the future?" Also, "Do you believe that one should only
boast once they have achieved 100% Standards Compliance?" Is 98% good
enough so many years after the Standardization was released? Should it
convince us enough to have Microsoft lead the way for us?

Again, I''m only intersted in 100% Standards Compliance. I hope others do
to. I''m curious.
NPC

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"NPC" <eu*********@verizon.net> wrote

是否有其他人看到C / C ++用户中出现与微软相关的C ++文章（不包括
广告）频率的模式
过去6个月的期刊？


我很久以前就没有找到CUJ相关的了。奇怪的是，

几乎完全与编辑人员的可怜尝试相吻合，以证明其他语言不是C或C ++。

似乎很多常见的专栏作家都在努力让C ++标准遵循管理C ++世界中的几项新发明。
大多数情况下，这些新发明似乎是必要的。解决.NET只使用标准的C ++问题。有趣的是，似乎Bjarne Stroustrop正在帮助微软解决其中的一些问题。


幸运的是，对于我们来说，CUJ和微软在标准委员会中的重量都不比任何人好。我完全有信心委员会作为一个整体将只接受能够改善语言的功能，并且不会考虑任何会使问题变得困难的事情。

非微软世界。

我从来不相信最新的微软
WhizBang（来自
毕竟雷德蒙德，但看到有关Bjarne的参与的文章让我有点停顿。


Bjarne参与帮助微软也应该鼓励。我们

可以期待更多关于微软如何更好地符合

标准的建议，而不是导致语言混淆的消息。

I我个人对自己对标准C ++的最佳意图充满信心。我想看看Bjarne对C ++ / CLI有什么看法
- 有没有人直接从Bjarne看到任何类似的话？


不是我。

有些人可能会认为我只是另一个反微软的人。我不是。我是一个亲标准的人 - 这就是我选择使用标准C ++的原因。我对任何有兴趣回答的人提出的问题是：你是否关心这个问题最大的软件集团，现在也拥有> 98％C ++
标准合规性，导致标准C ++将来如何变化？


我不是最不关心的，我不认为这是微软领导的任何事情，更不用说追随微软的人了。

此外，你认为一个人应该只吹嘘他们已经达到了100％的标准合规性吗？


我宁愿看到一家公司承认他们符合x％标准，需要

猜。

标准化发布多年后，98％足够好了吗？


如果它支持一个人使用的语言子集，那就足够了。当你遇到编译在另一个平台上的代码时，你会使用，但不是那里，那么你有什么可抱怨的。

它应该说服我们足够微软为我们带领
的方式？


再次，你把它变成一个X档案。这里没有阴谋。

微软做了它的事情并没有影响标准的C ++社区

它不想受到影响。你看到远了吗？和近

标准中的任何地方？或者过去近20年来微软和Borland以及其他人b / b
引入的任何其他残害行为？给委员会的人们

怀疑的好处。

再次，我只是在100％标准合规性方面有所启发。


你必须花很多时间在失业线上，如果那就是等待你的b
。在现实世界中，如果您被要求为
平台X编写软件，则可以使用可用的工具。因为你的编译器并不是100％兼容，你不会获得罢工的奢侈品。即使

有选择的编译器，正确性，性能和

等问题与现有库的兼容性往往优先于

符合标准。

我希望其他人也这样做。

Is anyone else seeing a pattern with the frequency
of Microsoft-related C++ articles (not including
advertisements) appearing in the ''C/C++ Users
Journal'' over the last 6 months?
I''ve stopped finding CUJ relevant a fairly long time ago. Strangely, that
coincided almost exactly with the editorial staff''s pitiable attempts to
justify coverage of languages other than C or C++.
It appears that many of the usual columnists are
pushing hard to have the C++ Standard follow
several new inventions in the Managed C++ World.
Mostly, these new inventions appear necessary to
solve issues .NET is having with using only standard
C++. Interestingly, it appears that Bjarne Stroustrop
is helping Microsoft resolve some of these issues now.
Fortunately for us, neither CUJ nor Microsoft has more weight than anyone
else on the standard committee. I''m fully confident that the committee as a
whole will accept only features that will improve the language and flatly
refuse to even consider anything that would make things problematic for the
non-Microsoft world.
I''ve never been too convinced of the latest Microsoft
WhizBang (there are so many dying whizbangs from
Redmond after all), but to see articles showing Bjarne''s
involvement makes me pause somewhat.
That Bjarne is involved in helping Microsoft should also be encouraging. We
can expect more recommendations on how Microsoft could better conform to the
standard than abdications that lead to a bastardization of the language.
I personally feel confident that he has only the best
intentions for Standard C++ in mind. I would like
to see anything Bjarne has to say about C++/CLI
- has anyone seen any words of the sort from Bjarne
directly?
Not I.
Some may think that I''m just another anti-Microsoft
kind of guy. I am not. I am a pro-standards kind
of guy - which is why I choose to use Standard C++.
My question to anyone interested in answering is: "Are
you concerned at all about the largest software
conglomerate, who also now boasts > 98% C++
Standards Compliance, leading the charge in how
Standard C++ will change in the future?"
I''m not in the least concerned, and I don''t see this as Microsoft leading
anything, much less anyone following Microsoft.
Also, "Do you believe that one should only boast once
they have achieved 100% Standards Compliance?"
I''d rather see a company admit that they''re x% compliant that to have to
guess.
Is 98% good enough so many years after the Standardization
was released?
It''s good enough if it supports the subset of the language that a person
uses. The day you encounter code that compiles on another platform that you
use, but not there, then you have something to complain about.
Should it convince us enough to have Microsoft lead the
way for us?
Again, you''re turning this into an X-File. There''s no conspiracy here.
Microsoft does its thing and it hasn''t impacted the standard C++ community
where it didn''t want to be impacted. Do you see "far" and "near" anywhere in
the standard? Or any other mutilations that Microsoft and Borland and others
have introduced in the past nearly 20 years? Give the folks on the committee
the benefit of the doubt.
Again, I''m only intersted in 100% Standards Compliance.
You must spend a lot of time on the unemployment line if that''s what you''re
waiting for. In the real world, if you''re mandated to write software for
platform X, you use the tools that are available. You don''t get the luxury
of going on strike because your compiler isn''t 100% compliant. Even when
there''s a choice of compilers, issues like correctness, performance, and
compatibility with existing libraries tend to take precedence over
compliance with the standard.
I hope others do too.

不太可能，除非他们不必处理现实。


Claudio Puviani

Not likely, unless they don''t have to deal with reality.

Claudio Puviani

>

再次，我我只是在100％标准合规性方面有所作为。
你必须花很多时间在失业线上，如果这就是

Again, I''m only intersted in 100% Standards Compliance.
You must spend a lot of time on the unemployment line if that''s what

你在等待。在现实世界中，如果您被要求为平台X编写软件，则可以使用可用的工具。你没有获得罢工的奢侈，因为你的编译器并不是100％兼容。即使可以选择编译器，正确性，性能和与现有库的兼容性等问题也往往优先于
符合标准。

you''re waiting for. In the real world, if you''re mandated to write software for
platform X, you use the tools that are available. You don''t get the luxury
of going on strike because your compiler isn''t 100% compliant. Even when
there''s a choice of compilers, issues like correctness, performance, and
compatibility with existing libraries tend to take precedence over
compliance with the standard.

我希望其他人也这样做。

I hope others do too.

不太可能，除非他们不必处理现实。

Claudio Puviani

Not likely, unless they don''t have to deal with reality.

Claudio Puviani

有趣的评论。有点贬义和毫无根据，我不得不期待一些人（不幸的是）。你看到这么多类似的评论后，你对我的

失业状况的评论有点好笑。你这里的其他人给你的朋友带来了什么......某种与你自己的恐惧有关的强迫症br $> b $ b失业是我的猜测。


不 - 从未在失业线上度过一天。虽然，我有幸享受过休息时间......


如果您认为不会受到领导人的影响C ++

委员会，那么你对政治的看法是非常理想主义和幼稚的。我只是要求别人就我的问题提出意见 - 不是真的

对你的判断感兴趣。


BTW ，您可以在标准方面找到有趣的 www.comeucomputing.com
$ b符合$ b。

Interesting comments. A bit derogatory and unfounded, which I have to
come to expect from some here (unfortunately). Your comments on my
unemployment status are somewhat funny after seeing so many similar comments
by you to others here... some sort of OCD related to your own fears of
unemployment is my guess.

Nope - never spent a day in the unemployment line. Although, there have
been times when I would have enjoyed the break...

If you believe that there could be no influence by the leaders of the C++
committee, then your view of politics are very idealistic and childish. I
really am simply asking for others opinions about my questions - not real
interested in your judgement of me.

BTW, you may find www.comeucomputing.com interesting in terms of standards
compliance.

制作 http： //www.comeaucomputing.com/ - 抱歉，我累了。

make that http://www.comeaucomputing.com/ - sorry, I''m tired.

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