有人编码休闲吗？ [英] Anybody code recreationally?

问题描述

对于娱乐用户来说，VB.NET似乎并没有很好地解决这个问题。

inet land。我有一些免费的我推出供人们使用的程序，

我收到的电子邮件就像如果它没有写在一个很好的实用程序中

孩子的语言，或者我没有办法在我的电脑上安装.NET Framework，

为什么不使用像GCC这样的REAL编译器， LCC，或Pelles C？。好像

的态度是真实的程序员只编写程序，其中

可执行文件是独立的。并且不需要运行时...而且使用Microsoft开发语言的人使用Microsoft开发语言类似于Trailer Park Trash。


我喜欢编写代码。当人们发现我做过有用的事情时，我得到了一定的满足感。像上面这样的评论让我不想分享

...

VB.NET doesn''t seem to go over very well with the recreational users out in
inet land. I''ve got a few "free" programs that I put out for people to use,
and I get emails like "it''d be a nice utility if it wasn''t written in a
child''s language", or "no way I''m installing the .NET Framework on my PC'',
"Why don''t you use a REAL compiler like GCC, LCC, or Pelles C?". Seems like
the attitude is that "REAL" programmers only write programs where the
executable is "stand-alone" and doesn''t require a runtime...and people that
use Microsoft development languages are akin to Trailer Park Trash.

I like to write code. I get a certain amount of satisfaction when people
find something I''ve done useful. Comments like the above make me not want
to share...

推荐答案

我为工作和娱乐编码。只是忽略它。那些类型的人太不成熟而不愿意听。

" Terry Olsen" <到****** @ hotmail.com>在消息中写道

新闻：OP ************** @ TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl ...

I code both for work and fun. Just ignore it. Those types of people are
too immature to bother listening to.
"Terry Olsen" <to******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OP**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

VB.NET没有'在这片土地上，娱乐用户似乎过得很好。我有一些免费的我发布给人们使用的程序，我收到的电子邮件就像如果它不是用儿童的语言编写的话，它会是一个很好的实用工具，或者我不会在我的
PC上安装.NET Framework，为什么不使用像GCC，LCC或Pelles C这样的REAL编译器？。
似乎态度就是真实。程序员只编写程序，其中可执行文件是独立的程序。并且不需要运行时......并且使用Microsoft开发语言的人类似于Trailer Park
Trash。

我喜欢编写代码。当人们找到我做过有用的东西时，我会得到一定的满足感。像上面这样的评论让我不想分享......

VB.NET doesn''t seem to go over very well with the recreational users out
in inet land. I''ve got a few "free" programs that I put out for people to
use, and I get emails like "it''d be a nice utility if it wasn''t written in
a child''s language", or "no way I''m installing the .NET Framework on my
PC'', "Why don''t you use a REAL compiler like GCC, LCC, or Pelles C?".
Seems like the attitude is that "REAL" programmers only write programs
where the executable is "stand-alone" and doesn''t require a runtime...and
people that use Microsoft development languages are akin to Trailer Park
Trash.

I like to write code. I get a certain amount of satisfaction when people
find something I''ve done useful. Comments like the above make me not want
to share...

我在VB中编写好玩的代码，但不可否认我'有偏见:-)。例如，我最近在VB .NET中构建了一个相当大的Euchre游戏，具有非常好的AI，声音，语音等等，而且它的质量非常好。从理论上讲，我构建它来测试产品，看看我能找到什么错误，但实际上我只是喜欢玩Euchre。 :-)


虽然没有忽视企业和专业空间的重要性（我们做了很多规划），但我真的希望我们在这个VB团队中挖掘甚至更深入的爱好者空间 - 为了娱乐而编程，如果你愿意的话。我们在那里做了一些很好的工作（例如VB Express），但我猜我们还有很多可以做的，特别是业余爱好者。我们中的许多人都花了很多时间思考这个问题。


几年前，当我第一次加入VB编译器领导作为编辑领导时，我做的第一件事就是（为了更好地理解产品）是我最喜欢的小工具之一从C ++到VB - 只是一个很有趣的应用程序，我曾经在各种代码页的ASCII / DBCS / Unicode / UTF-8之间进行转换，也以各种字体显示字符。我一直期望在这样做时失去一些力量，并且惊喜地发现相反的情况是正确的;小部件实际上更强大，更容易编码。接受测试，当然C ++可能会带来同样强大的结果，但不同之处在于我必须更加努力才能实现目标。我添加了一大堆有用的功能，这些功能需要花费很长时间才能在C ++中钻取（我向你保证，我已经用C / C ++编程很多年了）。 VB中唯一棘手的一点就是假装。无符号类型，但最近在VB中引入了无符号类型，即使这样也消失了。


就像我说的那样，我很难公正，但我喜欢用VB编写代码很有趣，我希望我们已经采取的一些方向（并将在未来采取）将使它成为一种更加愉快的体验。


--Matt Gertz-- *

VB Compiler Dev Lead


-----原始消息-----

来自：Jon

发表于：2005年12月20日星期二上午11:27

发布至：microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb

对话：任何人休闲代码？

主题：回复：任何人都在休闲地编码？

我为工作和娱乐编码。只是忽略它。那些类型的人太不成熟而不愿意听。

" Terry Olsen" <到****** @ hotmail.com>在消息中写道

新闻：OP ************** @ TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl ...

I code for fun in VB, but admittedly I''m biased :-). For example, I recently built a rather large Euchre game in VB .NET, with pretty good AI, sound, speech, etc., and it turned out pretty darn good quality. In theory, I built it to test out the product as see what bugs I could find, but in reality I just like to play Euchre a lot. :-)

While not dismissing the importance of the enterprise and professional spaces (around which we do a lot of planning), I really would like us here on the VB team to dig in even deeper to the hobbyist space -- "programming for fun," if you will. We''ve done some good work there (VB Express, for example), but I''m guessing there''s a lot more we could do that was specifically hobbyist targeted. Many of us have spent a lot of time thinking about that.

When I first joined the VB compiler lead as the editor lead a few years back, one of the first things I did (in order to better understand the product) was port one of my favorite "widgets" from C++ to VB -- just a small fun application that I used to translate between ASCII/DBCS/Unicode/UTF-8 for various code pages, displaying the characters in various fonts as well. I had been expecting to lose some power while doing this, and was pleasantly surprised that the opposite was true; the widget was actually more powerful and far easier to code. Put to the test, of course C++ could have presented just as powerful a result, but the difference was that I would have had to work harder to get there. I added a whole gamut of useful features which would have taken a long time to drill out in C++ (and I assure you that I''d been programming in C/C++ for many, many years). The only tricky bit in VB was "faking" unsigned types, but with the recent introduction of unsigned types in VB, even this went away.

Like I say, I''m hardly impartial, but I do enjoy coding in VB for fun, and I hope that some of the directions we''ve taken (and will take in the future) will make it an even more enjoyable experience.

--Matt Gertz--*
VB Compiler Dev Lead

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon
Posted At: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:27 AM
Posted To: microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb
Conversation: Anybody code recreationally?
Subject: Re: Anybody code recreationally?
I code both for work and fun. Just ignore it. Those types of people are
too immature to bother listening to.
"Terry Olsen" <to******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OP**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

VB.NET没有'在这片土地上，娱乐用户似乎过得很好。我有一些免费的我发布给人们使用的程序，我收到的电子邮件就像如果它不是用儿童的语言编写的话，它会是一个很好的实用工具，或者我不会在我的
PC上安装.NET Framework，为什么不使用像GCC，LCC或Pelles C这样的REAL编译器？。
似乎态度就是真实。程序员只编写程序，其中可执行文件是独立的程序。并且不需要运行时......并且使用Microsoft开发语言的人类似于Trailer Park
Trash。

我喜欢编写代码。当人们找到我做过有用的东西时，我会得到一定的满足感。像上面这样的评论让我不想分享......

VB.NET doesn''t seem to go over very well with the recreational users out
in inet land. I''ve got a few "free" programs that I put out for people to
use, and I get emails like "it''d be a nice utility if it wasn''t written in
a child''s language", or "no way I''m installing the .NET Framework on my
PC'', "Why don''t you use a REAL compiler like GCC, LCC, or Pelles C?".
Seems like the attitude is that "REAL" programmers only write programs
where the executable is "stand-alone" and doesn''t require a runtime...and
people that use Microsoft development languages are akin to Trailer Park
Trash.

I like to write code. I get a certain amount of satisfaction when people
find something I''ve done useful. Comments like the above make me not want
to share...

特里，


我完全同意Jon的简短回答。


然而，实际上.Net程序不需要runtimer，它需要一个

额外的OS层;框架。


到目前为止，我还没有听说过任何编译器需要英特尔类型的
微处理器，不需要运行时间。它主要包含了

程序本身，因此多次重复。 （不需要什么

a网络程序或用于独立发送运行时间的Java）。

这个除了非常低级别的程序作为驱动程序和类似的东西

可以在机器代码中直接写入。


直接在机器代码中的最终用户程序通常会非常庞大​​

和慢。


正如Jon已经写过的那样，你可能正在和不成熟的人交往。


只是AFAIK，


Cor

Terry,

I agree completely with Jon''s fine short answer.

However, in fact is it that the .Net programs need no runtimer, it needs an
extra OS layer; The framework.

Until now I have not heard of any compiler for an Intel type of
microprocessor that don''t needs a runtimer. Mostly it is packed with the
program itself and therefore duplicated many times. (what is not needed with
a Net program or for Java for which the runtimer is delivered seperately).
This with the exception of very low level programs as drivers and thing like
that which can be writen direct in machine code.

An end user program directly in machine code would be normally much to huge
and to slow.

As Jon wrote already, you are probably dealing with immature people.

Just AFAIK,

Cor

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