J2提案：关键字 [英] J2 proposal: keyword
问题描述
暂时将收集到的智慧放在一个地方，这就是我的
草案中的内容：
III。选择关键字
如果要在@或其他标点符号上选择关键字，则问题
仍然存在，它应该是哪个单词？已经提出了很多单词，并且
虽然我们可能会在这里推荐一个小数字，但更重要的是我们建立选择关键字的指南。关键字：
- 不应广泛用作现有Python代码中的标识符。
-编写新代码时应该很容易记住。
-在阅读现有代码时应该很容易记住。
-在文档和Google中都很容易搜索。
-不应该是计划好的未来。这排除了与...和
" as" （我可能会注意到这一点）。
-在这位作者看来（在这里回复我，人们），它不应该是装饰这个词的形式。术语装饰是指装饰。与两个单独的概念冲突：GoF Decorator模式（运行时
包装器，而不是编译时）和我们自己心爱的
" decorate-sort-undecorate"模式（又名Schwartzian或Guttman-Rosler
变换）。
关键字的候选人已分为两三个阵营，
强调装饰者的不同方面：
-Declarative：declare，predef，moddef
-Transformative：transform，wrap，modify，mutate
-Antributive / Annotative：修改，使用，具有
-directive：pragma，表示
-Associative：helper，qualify，qual，meta
-Cross-cutting：imbue，endow，toow，embellish，extend，累积，glom，
授予
-Prepositions / Adverbs：使用，通过，通过，通过
我有一个丑陋的段落促进' '宣布''作为最佳候选人，但我已经 b $ b总是喜欢''使用''（你们很多人在过去的24小时内提升了b
小时）。也许上面会在你们中产生进一步的两极分化。 ;）
Robert Brewer
MIS
Amor Ministries
fu ****** @ amor.org
" Robert Brewer" <福****** @ amor.org>写道：
现在只是将收集的智慧放在一个地方，这就是我的
草稿中的内容：
III 。选择关键字
如果要在@或其他标点符号上选择关键字，问题
仍然存在，它应该是哪个词？已经提出了很多单词，虽然我们可能会在这里推荐一小部分，但更重要的是我们建立选择关键字的指南。关键字：
- 不应广泛用作现有Python代码中的标识符。
- 编写新代码时应易于记忆。
- 应该很容易记住在阅读现有代码时。
- 在文档和Google中都很容易搜索。
- 不应该是计划好的未来。这排除了与...和
as （我应该注意这一点）。
- 在这位作者看来（在这里支持我，人们），它不应该是装饰这个词的形式。术语装饰是指装饰。与两个单独的概念冲突：GoF Decorator模式（运行时
包装，而不是编译时），以及我们自己心爱的
decorate-sort-undecorate ;模式（又名Schwartzian或Guttman-Rosler
转换）。
加入我的略显愚蠢的派对帽子，我可以建议馅饼。遇见所有这些限制因素： - ）
On Sun，2004年8月22日07:38:49 -0700，Robert Brewer
< fu ****** @ amor.org>写道：
- 关键词的候选人已经落入两三个阵营，并且
强调装饰者的不同方面：
- 声明：声明， predef，moddef
-Transformative：transform，wrap，modify，mutate
-Antributive / Annotative：修改，使用，具有
-Directive：pragma，表示
-Associative：helper， - 限制，限定，元素 - 切割：灌输，赋予，赋予，修饰，延伸，累积，支持，
赋予
- 预置/副词：使用，通过，通过，通过，通过
在
上下文中，只有这些单词的含义才会达成共识。成功：
foo =无论如何（foo）
我们中的一些人 - 至少我们中的一员 - 发现真正的一点
意义重大。它不能说比它说的更好，是
点，
而且我认为这是将事情推向极端以暗示<民意调查结果反映了社区在任何方向上的共识。
关于Guido
是否应允许自己，基本上缺乏共识受到这些民意调查的影响。
我对Guido的直觉一无所知。我确实认为他处于一个独特的位置，可以看到所有问题的大图和
工作。处于暴风雨的中心。
所以最后我可能最终完成了我所指控的事情
其他人在其他情况下做的事情 - 阅读@decorator语法
决定（假设*某些*语法是既成事实） - 发现它是明智的，因为可能超出其意图的原因。 />
Art
Robert Brewer写道：
III。选择关键字
[剪切好的原则列表] - 关键字的候选人已经分为两个或三个阵营，并且
强调装饰者的不同方面：
-Declarative：declare， predef，moddef
-Transformative：transform，wrap，modify，mutate
-Antributive / Annotative：修改，使用，具有
-Directive：pragma，表示
-Associative：helper， - 限制，限定，元素 - 切割：灌输，赋予，赋予，修饰，延伸，累积，支持，
赋予
- 预置/副词：使用，通过，通过，通过，通过
我有一个丑陋的段落宣传''宣告''作为最佳候选人，但我总是喜欢''使用''（你们很多人在过去推广24
小时）。也许上面会在你们中产生进一步的两极分化。 ;）
+1 onusing作为上面最好的选择。
我发现声明性的尴尬，变换不合适的时候
变换没有进行，定制的那些没关系（但是;修改
听起来就像之后必须来的那样），指令太像编译器一样，
联想不错但太抽象，横切太多像
" decorate"更不用说那种轻浮的声音和介词
大部分都太模糊了（除了再次使用）。
-Peter
Just to put collected wisdom in one spot for now, here''s what''s in my
draft:
III. Choosing a keyword
If a keyword is to be chosen over @ or other punctuation, the question
remains, "which word should it be?" Many words have been proposed, and
although we may recommend a small number here, it is more important that
we establish guidelines for the selection of a keyword. The keyword:
-Should not be used widely as an identifier in existing Python code.
-Should be easy to remember when writing new code.
-Should be easy to remember when reading existing code.
-Should be easy to search for, in both docs and Google.
-Should not be a word with a planned future. This rules out "with" and
"as" (I should probably footnote this).
-In this author''s opinion (back me up here, people), it should not be a
form of the word "decorate". The term "decorate" conflicts with two
separate concepts: both the GoF Decorator pattern (which is a runtime
wrapper, not a compile-time one), and with our own beloved
"decorate-sort-undecorate" pattern (aka Schwartzian or Guttman-Rosler
Transform).
-Candidates for keywords have fallen into two or three camps, and
emphasize different aspects of decorators:
-Declarative: declare, predef, moddef
-Transformative: transform, wrap, modify, mutate
-Attributive/Annotative: amend, using, having
-Directive: pragma, signify
-Associative: helper, qualify, qual, meta
-Cross-cutting: imbue, endow, bestow, embellish, extend, accum, glom,
confer
-Prepositions/Adverbs: using, through, per, via, by
I had an ugly paragraph promoting ''declare'' as a top candidate, but I''ve
always liked ''using'' (which many of you promoted within the past 24
hours). Maybe the above will produce further polarization among you. ;)
Robert Brewer
MIS
Amor Ministries
fu******@amor.org
"Robert Brewer" <fu******@amor.org> wrote:
Just to put collected wisdom in one spot for now, here''s what''s in my
draft:
III. Choosing a keyword
If a keyword is to be chosen over @ or other punctuation, the question
remains, "which word should it be?" Many words have been proposed, and
although we may recommend a small number here, it is more important that
we establish guidelines for the selection of a keyword. The keyword:
-Should not be used widely as an identifier in existing Python code.
-Should be easy to remember when writing new code.
-Should be easy to remember when reading existing code.
-Should be easy to search for, in both docs and Google.
-Should not be a word with a planned future. This rules out "with" and
"as" (I should probably footnote this).
-In this author''s opinion (back me up here, people), it should not be a
form of the word "decorate". The term "decorate" conflicts with two
separate concepts: both the GoF Decorator pattern (which is a runtime
wrapper, not a compile-time one), and with our own beloved
"decorate-sort-undecorate" pattern (aka Schwartzian or Guttman-Rosler
Transform).
Putting on my "Slightly Silly Party" hat, may I suggest that "pie" meets
all of those constraints :-)
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:38:49 -0700, "Robert Brewer"
<fu******@amor.org> wrote:
-Candidates for keywords have fallen into two or three camps, and
emphasize different aspects of decorators:
-Declarative: declare, predef, moddef
-Transformative: transform, wrap, modify, mutate
-Attributive/Annotative: amend, using, having
-Directive: pragma, signify
-Associative: helper, qualify, qual, meta
-Cross-cutting: imbue, endow, bestow, embellish, extend, accum, glom,
confer
-Prepositions/Adverbs: using, through, per, via, by
There is only consensus as to what any of those words would mean, in
context. Make happen:
foo=whatever(foo)
Some of us - at least one of us - find that a point with real
significance. It cannot be said better than it is being said, is the
point,
And I think it is stretching things to an extreme to imply that the
poll results reflect a concensus of the community in any direction.
There is a more fundamental lack of consensus as to whether Guido
should allow himself to be influenced by these kinds of polls.
I do not have blind faith in Guido''s instincts. I do think he is in a
unique position to see the Big Picture of all the issues and forces at
work. Being at the center of the storm.
So in the end I might have ended up doing exactly what I have accused
others of doing in other cases - reading into the @decorator syntax
decision (assuming *some* syntax is a fait accompli) - finding it to
be wise, for reasons perhaps beyond its intentions.
Art
Robert Brewer wrote:
III. Choosing a keyword [snip good list of principles] -Candidates for keywords have fallen into two or three camps, and
emphasize different aspects of decorators:
-Declarative: declare, predef, moddef
-Transformative: transform, wrap, modify, mutate
-Attributive/Annotative: amend, using, having
-Directive: pragma, signify
-Associative: helper, qualify, qual, meta
-Cross-cutting: imbue, endow, bestow, embellish, extend, accum, glom,
confer
-Prepositions/Adverbs: using, through, per, via, by
I had an ugly paragraph promoting ''declare'' as a top candidate, but I''ve
always liked ''using'' (which many of you promoted within the past 24
hours). Maybe the above will produce further polarization among you. ;)
+1 on "using" as the best of the choices above.
I find the declarative ones awkward, transform inappropriate when
transforming is not going on, attributive ones okay (but "amend"
sounds like it must come afterwards), directive too compiler-like,
associative not bad but too abstract, cross-cutting too much like
"decorate" not to mention sort of frivolous-sounding, and prepositions
mostly too vague (except for "using" again).
-Peter
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